Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-08 Thread Michael Brutman
I'm not sure it really matters whether QEMU is emulating a machine in software or using a hardware assist. The point is, it's pretending to be a full machine either way and it's faithfully simulating the processor and other hardware. Software might be able to tell that it's on hardware or softwar

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Michael Brutman wrote: Sorry, we have a terminology issue here. (Again.) A Virtual Machine for the rest of us is something like VMWare, Qemu, VirtualBox, etc. - something that simulates a real machine. You load a real operating system in it and the operating system general

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-08 Thread Michael Brutman
Sorry, we have a terminology issue here. (Again.) A Virtual Machine for the rest of us is something like VMWare, Qemu, VirtualBox, etc. - something that simulates a real machine. You load a real operating system in it and the operating system generally doesn't know or care that it's actually in

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-08 Thread Bret Johnson
> That doesn't make sense. A VM is a hardware emulator. It doesn't > get to choose to relocate the InDOS flag. DOSBox can do whatever > it wants when it is emulating DOS, but a hardware emulator doesn't > get to do those things. > > What VMs are you seeing this behavior in? I was wondering if

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 3:12 PM Volkert via Freedos-devel wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:35 AM tom ehlert wrote: >> >> > Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on >> > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in >> > FreeDOS. It takes an hour or

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-08 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 8:57 AM Liam Proven wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 at 14:50, Bret Johnson wrote: > > > The problem is, the CPU's _themselves_ really haven't gotten a whole lot > > faster than they were in the 386 days. > > Drastic oversimplification to the point of not being true, ac

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread tom ehlert
> That depends. whatever 'depends'. > Besides poorly optimized system caches, is the > installer doing things that blow the cache and increase the miss rate? whatever the installer is doing: unless you find a valid 'this is doing something in a stupid way' point this installer is as much a val

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread Louis Santillan
That depends. Besides poorly optimized system caches, is the installer doing things that blow the cache and increase the miss rate? You noted a significantly increased download zip. Is everything actually necessary? Did you download a debug build that will have additional binary code or is the

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:35 AM tom ehlert wrote: > > > Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on > > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in > > FreeDOS. It takes an hour or more on FreeDOS, while the same > > installation completes on MS-DOS 7.1 wit

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Swappable Data (SDA) Area

2023-03-08 Thread Liam Proven
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 at 14:50, Bret Johnson wrote: > > My terminology is compliant with that definition. *Sigh* I am aware of that. The general term "re-entrancy" is not synonymous with the specific term "reentrant kernel". I do not wish to seem mean, but when I say to you that you are not explai

Re: [Freedos-devel] Open Watcom v2 DOS installer is abysmally slow in FreeDOS

2023-03-08 Thread tom ehlert
> Over a month ago, I opened an issue on the FreeDOS project on > GitLab about the Open Watcom v2 installer being extremely slow in > FreeDOS. It takes an hour or more on FreeDOS, while the same > installation completes on MS-DOS 7.1 within just a few minutes. either you report your config.sys a