Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

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. > > From: Bret Johnson >To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release! > > >... >In addition, there can be only one Boot Processor.  Once the machine has >b

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

; From: Thomas Mueller >To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:33 AM >Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release! > > > >Excerpt from Rugxulo: > >> DOS on modern IBM PC clones have too many hardware compat

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Hi Travis, > I'm still wondering why there's nothing to take advantage of these > multi-core processors to allow someone to run multiple oses > simultaneously using one core for each os. No reason you can't use > task switching, and run dos, windows, linux, and others all on the > same m

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Nice try Travis, but it doesn't quite work that way. You obviously haven't done much research, or you would find that it's not "obviously possible". In spite of the fact that there may be multiple CPU's (or cores) in a computer, almost all of the other resources in the computer are shared. Thi

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

I'm still wondering why there's nothing to take advantage of these multi-core processors to allow someone to run multiple oses simultaneously using one core for each os. No reason you can't use task switching, and run dos, windows, linux, and others all on the same machine, simply dropping

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > I believe DJGPP is pretty much lame-duck now. I know what you're trying to say here, but there's just not enough volunteers. Though it's also considered rock solid, so you don't need tons of huge overhauls, IMO. Well, you could argue

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

On 4/24/2014 12:05 PM, Charles Belhumeur wrote: > You really need to stop using questionable language on public mailing lists. The rest of us do not want to read your rants, especially when they are laced with words that do not belong here. It is offensive.

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Hi, On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Tom Ehlert wrote: > > a) please don't mix Java and Javascript. this is not even apples and > oranges We already know this, although depending on implementation, the details can be confusing. > b) this list is intended to discuss FreeDOS developer related is

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Whereever however it came from JAVA scripts are one of the slowest and most problematic pieces of software on modern boxes. Its the running on top a tower of code situation. I have to admit I suspect this is mostly due to the "geniuses" who write the scripts for webpages, web developers. All in

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Does real Java compile into machine specific code or does it depend on emulator/interpreter etc.? This is the problem I have with such languages. Its hard to get all the platform developers to produce a non-flaky emulator/interpreter/virtual machine that's consistent across all platforms. Add the

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Javascript is Livescript from netscape days, PR move on their part when java was big name -- -chris Computer Consultant & Repair Tech Digitalatoll Solutions Group Tawhaki Software http://digitalatoll.com/ http://tawakisoft.com/ Cell: 916-612-6904 On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Tom Ehlert wr

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Hi, a) please don't mix Java and Javascript. this is not even apples and oranges b) this list is intended to discuss FreeDOS developer related issues. I don't see how Java, Javascript, Os/2, ... fit into this categorie c) there are MANY other mailing list to post you general feelings about java,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Charles Belhumeur wrote: > > Experience has given me a preference for low-level machine compilable > languages Assembler and like the various flavors of C. Most other popular language implementations are written in C. (Usually it's loosely C99 + POSIX + exten

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from Charles Belhemeur: > Well hopefully the multi-cores are true multi-taskers and you're > getting the time savings you thing you are. You are definitely wasting > time with the swapping function on single core CPUs. Its faster in > single cores to just complete one task at a time, let a routin

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scussion and questions for FreeDOS developers. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release! > > Experience has given me a preference for low-level machine compilable > languages Assembler and like the various flavors of C. I don't like > languages l

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Well hopefully the multi-cores are true multi-taskers and you're getting the time savings you thing you are. You are definitely wasting time with the swapping function on single core CPUs. Its faster in single cores to just complete one task at a time, let a routines finish before starting another

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Experience has given me a preference for low-level machine compilable languages Assembler and like the various flavors of C. I don't like languages like JAVA that ride a non-machine specific protocol and ride atop emulators or interpreters on top a browser on top an OS on top sophisticated hardwar

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Its the startup bios that supports boot mode. once they move from legacy to UEFI your older mbr drives will not boot. --- I'd guess that, even with UEFI replacing legacy BIOS, bootable USB sticks with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to the underlyimg OS being otherwise compatible

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Excerpt from Rugxulo: > DOS on modern IBM PC clones have too many hardware compatibility > issues: power management, lack of networking (almost no packet > drivers), no soundcard drivers (or even static libs), almost no USB > support. It doesn't look like most hardware companies care enough to >

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Hi, Jim, BTW, Happy Easter! On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:21 AM, Jim Michaels wrote: > > (openwatcom seems to have been dropped as a project). Not at all, but it hasn't had an "official" point release lately. Though there are snapshots of 2.0-pre: http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Open_Watcom_Re

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Hi, On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:32 AM, dos386 wrote: > >> I personally don't care what size the exes are But he followed it up with "just as long as I can at least fit a few critical things on a floppy." !!! So that's far from indifferent! (But I personally think such sentiments, while reasonable

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> I personally don't care what size the exes are So do many others. Result: Wing-ZIP 100 MiB ... Abobe-ACRO 100 MiB ... "Hello world" 30 Byte's to 10 MiB (depends from compiler) ... Linux 1 to 20 GiB (depends from distro) > anyone noticed HXDOS? YES. Noticed 10 years ago, development stopped 5 y

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oo   > > From: Charles Belhumeur >To: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers. > >Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:04 PM >Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release! > > >I have to agree w

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Hi CHarles, > The big problem for me as an app developer in bioinformatics is > finding an OS worth investing in. For the time being I'm using Win XP > SP3, but not really happy with the choice. I need something fairly > mainstream so potential users will be able to easily download and try > it

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lto:chbelhumeur2...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:12 PM > To: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release! > > Yeah JAVA sucks. On most platforms it sits atop too high a stack of >

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Yeah JAVA sucks. On most platforms it sits atop too high a stack of routines all doing there own thing and eats up too much CPU time. The slightest extra load to the box when JAVA is running and it all goes bad! On 4/16/14, Charles Belhumeur wrote: > Thanks for the info. I'm still hunting for

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Thanks for the info. I'm still hunting for the "right" OS for some of my projects. Looked at BSD a few years back. Seemed OK except there wasn't a lot of apps and they didn't support a lot of hardware coming out at the time. Something FreeDos is working hard to address. The big problem for me

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FWIW, I think one niche is allowing tech-oriented youngsters the opportunity to rediscover the agony and ecstasy of finally getting a balky DOS application to run in the allotted RAM: one of my nephews showed me, with much pride, that he had finally got a free DOS clone running in an emulator on hi

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Hi, On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Charles Belhumeur wrote: > > I'm thinking more and more there's no big niche for FreeDos. The niche is running legacy software from ye olde days (or similar). > Too many problems trying to get it to do the tasks people > want to do on their boxes these days,

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I have to agree with being leery about MS source code. As for the rest, waste a couple more decades of your life on buggy IT and you'll see what I mean. I'm thinking more and more there's no big niche for FreeDos. Too many problems trying to get it to do the tasks people want to do on their boxe

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE!

Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE! >> > > ... > >> IT in our lives like microwaves and cars. Why not? Good thing MS >> isn't involved in software development for automobiles! Can you >> imagine cars and trucks having deal with

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

On 3/27/2014 1:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > And, anyway, dos 2.0 did things way differently than 3.3+ , especially > for file access, (fcbs anyone) You might want to upgrade your knowledge a bit. Since PC/MS-DOS 2.0, FCBS are only for backwards compatibility still around. FCBS were the way to ac

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Does this help your screen reader issue? Also, not FreeDOS, see if helps you with AccessDOS built-in. -L On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Bah. I couldn't download the st

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

Bah. I couldn't download the stupid thing anyhow, because apparently, ya gotta login just to read the blog post. Thanks, but no thanks. I do not now, nor do I wish to have an ms account. I'll pass, thanks. (same for google) If I can't hit the page, click download, and have the file sho

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On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: [SNIP] > > This is a potential legal issue. The message is clear and not > contradictory in any way. Do not jeopardize FreeDOS's clean lineage by > looking at non-open source code and then trying contributing to FreeDOS. > For philosophic

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

On 3/26/2014 11:11 PM, Charles Belhumeur wrote: > Tough line to walk folks! You wanna clone DOS but yet you don't want > "to be tainted" by any suggestions you owe anything to DOS! Think > that over a little. Say it to yourself and see how it sounds. Sure it sounds funny, but the funny part is

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE!

> -Original Message- > From: Charles Belhumeur [mailto:chbelhumeur2...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:12 AM > To: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE! > ... >

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Tough line to walk folks! You wanna clone DOS but yet you don't want "to be tainted" by any suggestions you owe anything to DOS! Think that over a little. Say it to yourself and see how it sounds. It doesn't matter what the OS is for a lot of stuff. The Intel chips and architecture are what th

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE!

Definitely. I'll add a warning that if you download and study the MS-DOS source code, you should not contribute code to FreeDOS afterwards. We want to avoid any suggestion that FreeDOS has been "tainted" by this proprietary code. (I've also included this warning in the "Microsoft releases source

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an opensource dos is best -- -chris Computer Consultant & Repair Tech Digitalatoll Solutions Group Tawhaki Software http://digitalatoll.com/ http://tawakisoft.com/ Cell: 916-612-6904 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM, sparky4 wrote: > read the licence and find out why! > -- > with love, > sparky

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, sparky4 wrote: > read the licence and find out why! This should ABSOLUTELY go without saying. -uso. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.

[Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE!

read the licence and find out why! -- with love, sparky4 Administrator of 四葉の芽◇ちゃんねる -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourcef