Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-16 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > Jim, please, retest with latest bootfix version (1.3) - now it analyzes > not only default, but also current BPB. > Zip file sent to you. > beta9rc4 is outdated > and definitely should be updated. > Considering comments by Luchezar G, there's something wrong on the server I got that IS

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-15 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 15-Мар-2004 12:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luchezar Georgiev) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> should be reported for those, who prepare ISO images: beta9rc4 is >> outdated and definitely should be updated. LG> There is something wrong here. The latest official kernel (build 2033) LG> went out on 31

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-15 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:45:43 +0300 (MSK), Arkady V.Belousov wrote: So, there was a bug in kernel, which was used previously. This should be reported for those, who prepare ISO images: beta9rc4 is outdated and definitely should be updated. There is something wrong here. The latest official kernel

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-15 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 18:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to "Arkady V.Belousov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: JL> I got kernel 2033_32 and used INSTALL.BAT to create a FreeDOS bootable JL> Booted fine! Perfect. JL> Note; this particular ZIP disk WAS FAT32 before transferring system JL> files. Note

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
All, Thanks for your help everyone, in getting this nailed down!!! -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org ---

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Eric, > I think we should be able to boot from ZIP FAT32 > We can! We can!!! See my latest reply to Arkady. Off to do a happy dance!!! -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > About making FAT32 Zip diskette bootable: > > 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net). > 2. apply SYS to diskette (under latest kernel). > 3. try to boot. > I got kernel 2033_32 and used INSTALL.BAT to create a FreeDOS bootable floppy. Altered CONFIG.

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread James Stockton
Tested fat32 booting on me hard drive works fine. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 13:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net) JL> kernel 2033? Yes. Also, there was some changes in kernel. AFAIK, Luchezar presents precompiled kernels with all up to date patche

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread MV
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:42:13 -, James Stockton wrote: >I'm trying out the nightly kernel, not sure if thats what they mean. >But its worth a look i think. As soon as I can get to it, will be using 2.0.33 http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/freedos/ke2033_32.zip?download Trying to get the Net-

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread James Stockton
I'm trying out the nightly kernel, not sure if thats what they mean. But its worth a look i think. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technolog

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > But earlier you say, that you test BOOTFIX under FreeDOS and access Zip > as C:? > Probably when I'd used SR, booted off it, then switched diskettes. I'm beginning to get a bit overwhelmed with all of this. Maybe I'll tinker around some more tonight, before giving up. -- Jim Li

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net) > Hmm, when I go to http://freedos.sourceforge.net/ I'm presented with a bunch of choices. Do you mean for me to get; kernel 2032? http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=312180 kernel 2033? http://prd

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 08:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED], Luchezar Georgiev: >> FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why >> don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first? JL> I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > Moreover, if MS-FORMAT allows to format 100 Mb as FAT32 (and > XP works with it flawlessly?), then this should be accepted by us also. > But it doesn't work 'flawlessly'. I can read/write/copy/move/delete to - from a ZIP-100 FAT32 disk, but it is NOT bootable. > Do you mean, that > > -

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > Does the bootstrap from FreeDOS fail? If > so, it's because of the bad boot sector. > Exactly! > If > so, it's because of the bad boot sector. Does FORMAT under FreeDOS fail? > No! > Undetermined, not "No!" But I'll check. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > You need to make a CONFIG.SYS (device=iomega_driver_name) > Will do. > (Do you mean that IOMEGA still really support DOS??? ;-) > Nothing NEW, but older DOS/Win 3.1 drivers for 'guest' are available in their archives. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/c

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 20:47 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AVB> Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. Ops, sorry, too husty conlusion: BOOTFIX analyzes _default_ BPB, which is _suggestion_ by OS for given media. Boot record should be compared with "current BPB", which is used by OS

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 05:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Arkady V.Belousov": JL> " Should I format my Jaz or Zip disk with FAT32? JL> Answer JL> Iomegaо does not support nor recommend the use of FAT32 formatting JL> with Zipо or Jazо disks. Jaz diskettes are 1 and 2

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:47:44 +0300 (MSK), Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Which OS you was use for tests? FreeDOS Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. I think, Bart may/should clarify this, maybe this is expected behavior. What we're talking about here? Does the bootstrap from FreeDOS fail? If so, it's bec

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 20:47 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AVB> Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. I think, Bart may/should clarify AVB> this, may this is expected behavior. ---^^^ may be AVB> Do you mean, that AVB> - XP formats to FAT16 and makes bootable: diskette boot

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 07:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Arkady V.Belousov": Not needed to CC for me, I subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Which OS you was use for tests? JL> FreeDOS Probably, bug in FreeDOS kernel. I think, Bart may/should clarify this, may th

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:15:30 CST, Jim Lilly wrote: Luchezar, No need to send me a carbon copy, I'm subscribed here. Have you tried such a driver in MS-DOS or FreeDOS? I'll setup a DOS bootdisk as such. How is such done with a FreeDOS boot floppy? ODIN is already bootable (see FreeDOS site for its

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > Have you tried such a driver in MS-DOS or FreeDOS? > I'll setup a DOS bootdisk as such. How is such done with a FreeDOS boot floppy? -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:32:47 CST, Jim Lilly wrote: FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first? I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only sees A: & the CDROM. Therefore FreeDOS won't allow me to

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why > don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first? > I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only sees A: & the CDROM. Therefore FreeDOS won't allow me to do anything to my ZIP drive. > By

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:55:10 CST, Jim Lilly wrote: [...] SpinRite which uses FreeDOS incorrectly 'claims' to have successfully formatted such FAT32 ZIP-100 disks.yet fail to boot. THAT is the focal point of troubles with FreeDOS I'm having. SpinRite uses FreeDOS for it's formatting functions

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > - v2.9 is outdated (old kernel). > Might be, but it's what's on. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta 9rc4/fdbootcd.zip Also note; THAT CD of FreeDOS did NOT 'see' anything but the CDROM & Floppy drivesno ZIP, no HD. > - You can't use SYS

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > Which OS you was use for tests? > FreeDOS > Which software you use to prepare > (format) these ZIP diskettes? > WinXP Pro initially, SpinRite for the one ZIP disk. > Also, disk geometry in boot record differs from one, reported by OS. > This is, probably, not very important (in given c

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
you can't use SYS (and any other programs, which directly access disks) under NT/2k/XP. You may access a floppy drive though. I have successfully run "SYS A:" from Windows 2003. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Li

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2004 14:33 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: JL>> Attached is [misc.zip] JL>> File notes from Jim Lilly; JL>> RSLT_SR6 - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results __O\_/_\_/O__ Checking drive C: Reading default BPB... [...] Volume

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, http://makeashorterlink.com/?K379136B7 " Should I format my Jaz or Zip disk with FAT32? Answer Iomega® does not support nor recommend the use of FAT32 formatting with Zip® or Jaz® disks. Warning: Data integrity maybe an issue using FAT32 formatting. Iomega recommends formatting Z

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 12-Мар-2004 20:02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Arkady V.Belousov": >> This is FAT16, so FAT size here should be 190 sectors. JL> Hmmm, THAT particular disk should have been FAT32or I got confused. This disk (with such clusters count) can't be FAT32. >>

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 13-Мар-2004 15:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to ark: JL> Attached is [misc.zip] JL> File notes from Jim Lilly; JL> RSLT_SR6 - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results Looks valid and workable. JL> RSLT_16 - ZIP100, FAT, BOOTFIX results Looks like there is problems: OS says that FAT

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 12-Мар-2004 21:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Arkady V.Belousov": JL> I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got; JL> D:\Download\FreeDOS>sys X: BOOTONLY JL> FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003 JL> Processing boot sector... JL> R

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > In any case, ZIP disks must be formatted with FAT16 and nothing else. > Yep, just had the link to Iomega stating that sent to me. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-14 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:16:00 CST, Jim Lilly wrote: If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size. Where might I read up on that info? Microsoft have stated that the minimum is even 256 MB (in http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/articles/901Jan/Fat3

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-13 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size. > Where might I read up on that info? -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virt

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-13 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 13-Мар-2004 11:54 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luchezar Georgiev) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted >> FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT. LG> If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in siz

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-13 Thread Jim Lilly
Luchezar, > FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size. > HWinXP doesn't seem to know that. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-13 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:24:58 CST, Jim Lilly wrote: I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT. If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size. Lucho -

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Steve, > You really should be doing all of this stuff from a successful boot of some > stable DOS system ... and definitely outside of Windows XP. > That's for tomorrow morning, I'm getting ready to hit the sack. But I did want to try several approaches from within WinXP first, as your new tool

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Steve Gibson
Hi Jim, > Yes, something is wrong. I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got; D:\Download\FreeDOS>sys X: BOOTONLY FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003 Processing boot sector... Reading old bootsector from drive X: Divide overflow WinXP throws up an error message

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, In prior message, ZIP disk was formatted FAT. Tried again with one as FAT32 & get same message. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > Yes, something is wrong. > I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got; D:\Download\FreeDOS>sys X: BOOTONLY FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003 Processing boot sector... Reading old bootsector from drive X: Divide overflow WinXP throws up an error mess

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > This is FAT16, so FAT size here should > be 190 sectors. > Hmmm, THAT particular disk should have been FAT32or I got confused. > Under which OS you run BOOTFIX? > WinXP Pro, and it's HD is NTFSfwiw. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Eric, > "inline" for easier discussion > Also, per your request I try copybs; > could you try with COPYBS from the SYSLINUX package? > Whether the ZIP disk is FAT -or- FAT32 formatted, I get; D:\Download>copybs X: logfile.txt ERROR: Boot sector read failed I tried two different ZIP 100 disks, o

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 12-Мар-2004 16:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> run for A: (you ZIP disk mapped as A:?) with option /d: >> "BOOTFIX /d a:>result". Then send result for me for analyzing. JL> Actually mine is set as X: JL> --ATTACHMENT-- Binary file >Checking drive x: >Reading d

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
Arkady, > run for A: > (you ZIP disk mapped as A:?) with option /d: "BOOTFIX /d a:>result". Then > send result for me for analyzing. > Actually mine is set as X: Attached is [result] file -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - V

Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 12-Мар-2004 15:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lilly) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: JL> What needs to be tested in the areas of FAT32 SYS booting code? JL> I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted JL> FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT. Get f

[Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???

2004-03-12 Thread Jim Lilly
All, What needs to be tested in the areas of FAT32 SYS booting code? I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT. I'm NOT a programmer, but am looking to help in testing. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http