Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-25 Thread Nick Schmansky
Alex, In qdec, currently it's limited to two discrete factors, although using mri_glmfit (upon which qdec is built) you could formulate your own contrast matrices having >2 discrete factors. Nick On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 13:32 +1100, Alex Fornito wrote: > Great. Thanks for the feedback. > > > On

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-23 Thread Doug Greve
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Alex Fornito wrote: Hi, After wrestling with this a bit, I think I get the idea (finally!). Just to confirm: 1- set a primary threshold in the mri_glmfit command, e.g., --sim perm 5000 1.3 will run 5000 permutations with the primary cluster forming threshold set at .05.

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-21 Thread Alexander Fornito
Thanks Pratap and Cameron. When I said primary cluster forming threshold, I did mean the vertex-wise p-value. I imagine it should be reported, as it will affect the clusters you subsequently extract (lower p-values would lead to larger clusters needed for significance (??)). Does anyone have any

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-21 Thread Cameron Ellis
Hi, Just th9ought I would chime in here. I have the same understanding as Pratap as long as by "primary cluster forming threshold" you are referring to is the vertex wise p-value. The cluster wise p-value you choose after the simulation does not have to be derived from this value. But perhaps both

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-21 Thread Pratap Kunwar
Doug, please correct me if i am wrong and add if need to. > Hi, > After wrestling with this a bit, I think I get the idea (finally!). > Just to confirm: > > 1- set a primary threshold in the mri_glmfit command, e.g., --sim > perm 5000 1.3 will run 5000 permutations with the primary cluster > formi

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-06 Thread Doug Greve
FDR assumes that the collection of values has both positives and negatives. It assumes that the pvalues of the negatives are uniformly distributed between 0 and 1, and this model is used to estimate the total number of positives (both true and false). When you cluster, you are setting all voxel

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-05 Thread Alexander Fornito
yeah, I've replaced the input with the sig.mgh for the contrast of interest, which retruns something more plausible. Thanks again, and sorry for the confusion. Ta, Alex > I noticed that you are using contrasts.sig.mgh as the input to > mri_surfcluster and that the source frame is 0. contrasts.si

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-05 Thread Alexander Fornito
Sorry, can I ask why the clustering step would invalidate FDR? >From my understanding, FDR allows you set a limit on the number of false positive in a family of contrasts reaching significance at a nominal threshold. I would like to this nominal threshold using cluster stats (e.g., p<.05, cluster

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-03 Thread Alex Fornito
Thanks for your help Pratap. I've actually been trying to follow the tutorial and was running simulations initially, but when I tried to re-trace my steps I ended omitted them because I forgot they were necessary for mri_surfcluster. Either way, the results are the same- I still get one who

Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-12-03 Thread Alexander Fornito
Hi all, I was hoping someone could help me with the problem below. I'm a little stuck on my analysis. Thanks, Alex > On 11/28/2007 07:43 PM, Alex Fornito wrote: >> Hi, >> I have run qdec for a simple contrast comparing thickness across the >> cortical surface between a patient and control group.

[Freesurfer] Cluster thresholding

2007-11-28 Thread Alex Fornito
Hi, I have run qdec for a simple contrast comparing thickness across the cortical surface between a patient and control group. Not much survives vertex-wise FDR correction, and I would like to try cluster- based thresholding. I would like to make sure I understand the inputs to the command.

Re: [Freesurfer] cluster thresholding

2006-02-02 Thread Doug Greve
Not quite yet, still tweeking on it Sasha Wolosin wrote: Dear all, Has the January dev release incorporated the new corrections for multiple comparisons in group analysis, e.g. cluster thresholding? Thanks, Sasha Sasha Wolosin Research Assistant Developmental Cognitive Neurology Kennedy Krieg

[Freesurfer] cluster thresholding

2006-02-01 Thread Sasha Wolosin
Dear all, Has the January dev release incorporated the new corrections for multiple comparisons in group analysis, e.g. cluster thresholding? Thanks, Sasha Sasha Wolosin Research Assistant Developmental Cognitive Neurology Kennedy Krieger Institute 707 N. Broadway Baltimore, MD 21205 ph: (443) 9