Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-05-02 Thread Douglas Greve
It is hard to say. As Anderson said, we have the improved method for computing volume. But just because something is improved does not mean that results will be more significant! On 5/2/17 1:17 PM, John Anderson wrote: Dear Doug, Thank you very much for the clarification!! I highly

Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-05-02 Thread John Anderson
Dear Doug, Thank you very much for the clarification!! I highly appreciate your science and help. I received an answer about my question from your colleague Dr Anderson Winkler (Below) who directed me to review the paper (link also bellow). My last question is: can Freesurfer 6 address

Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-05-02 Thread Douglas Greve
By noise, I just mean variability, which could come from those sources, but more likely come from intersubject variability. No good way to check those. It is looking like volume analysis has much higher false positive rates than thickness too. On 5/2/17 12:29 PM, John Anderson wrote: Thank

Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-05-02 Thread John Anderson
Thank you Doug, One more question please. Noise: does this mean low quality /high quality T1 images regarding SNR and contrast between white and gray matter. What is the correct approach to check noise effect on the reconstructed T1 images to avoid these controversies between cortical and

Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-05-02 Thread Douglas Greve
You are speaking statistically, I assume? Ie, you see a sig change in volume and not thickness, or vice versa? If so, it can easily be explained by differences in noise On 5/2/17 5:00 AM, John Anderson wrote: Hi Doug, Thank you for the detailed explanation! Please I have one follow-up

Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-05-02 Thread John Anderson
Hi Doug, Thank you for the detailed explanation! Please I have one follow-up question and I highly appreciate your input How can we explain results related to reduce cortical thickness and normal gray matter volume. Are these parameters two different thing or they are related to each other.? In

Re: [Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-04-10 Thread Douglas N Greve
The thickness is an average of two numbers. One is the distance from a white surface vertex to the pial surface along the normal to the white. The other is the distance from the pial to the white along the normal to the pial. Volume (in v6) is computed as the volume of a truncated tetrahedron.

[Freesurfer] Volume vs cortical thickness

2017-04-10 Thread John Anderson
Dear Freesurfer experts, I highly appreciate if anybody clarify how Freesurfer calculate cortical thickness and gray matter volume. If the cortical thickness of e.g. precentral gurus is measured as the closest distance from the gray-white boundary to the gray-CSF boundray at each vertex on the