Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My.

2007-07-09 Thread phil henshaw
Well, where's the gap between knowledge and it's practical use then? We're using a method in Iraq designed for certain failure (because of strategies modeled on attacking a phantom enemy unlike the one actually interfering with our plans) and causing huge harm in every direction. add the 15% of ou

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My.

2007-07-09 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I must have missed where science was deferring to the "comity of political/military defeat." Most scientists, and for that matter, most professional military people, deplore this gap, though gap is too nice a word for blindly pursuing ideology in the face of facts. If you follow it at al

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My.

2007-07-09 Thread PPARYSKI
One of the clear examples of emergent human social behavior is the fashion industry and its adolescent parallel. In reference to group and selfless behavior, I think it is a miracle that human societies don't more often collapse, so there must be something inherent in us that keeps us beh

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My.

2007-07-09 Thread Prof David West
At the risk of creating a diversion from the purpose of this list ... It is not the youth of the men that matters, it is their sexuality. There is a very well known inverse relationship between sex and violence. Young men (and women in those cultures where they are allowed to) have the stronge

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My

2007-07-09 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Jack Stafurik wrote: > Basic training in almost all armies is deliberately designed to stress the > recruit/draftee physically and emotionally to break down previous > commitments to family and friends, and instill commitment to his new unit. > Given that it is possible to put arbitrarily larg

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My.

2007-07-09 Thread PPARYSKI
There is in my mind nothing wrong with being an ideologue as long as the ideologies create better conditions for human societies and are permitted to compete equitably. Most European parliamentary governance is based on this principle, e.g. the UK & France. The Bush administration is not pri

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My.

2007-07-09 Thread phil henshaw
I guess I think science is mostly an art of speaking accurately about those things it is possible to be accurate about. Since it seems the fault in Iraq, is that our army is at war with an indigenous culture, because it mistakenly tried to 'clean-up' the violent objectors to our occupation as if

Re: [FRIAM] Ants and Bees, Oh My

2007-07-09 Thread Jack Stafurik
The practice of molding young men by the military has been with us for at least 2500 years. The prime example is that exemplar of military virtue, Sparta. From the age of about 7, young men were taken by the state and through a harsh regimen of physical and emotional abuse were turned into what