Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Well, yes, though I still feel the notion was more descriptive than prescriptive. The list is not the sole source for these topics, and I think we need to find new ways to think deeper faster. As I mentioned, it is part of a larger (and perhaps more recognizably scientific) set of processes.

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

No Comment, beyond what I've already said. Jack - Original Message - From: Robert Holmes To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies Jack - First rule of FRIAM: no o

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

I'll send you John's e-mail, which I've just received. Jack - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: friam@redfish.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies Hi Jack, How did you enjoy Woody's presentation. The

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Are you happy with that prescription? It seems to me that when we talk about physical phenomena and explanation- or attempts at same- we needn't discard the basic idea of a scientific statement: consistency with what is known and predictability and falsifiability for what is claimed. Otherwse

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

An emergent idea is one relatively few people are paying attention to. If we indulged in specifics, the ideas would cease to be emergent. So I think its kind of like we're using averted vision. A post that points out an emergent idea is not necessarily inviting a collective hot needle of inquiry

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

You could, but you'll never get it there in time. The moment of the Gettysburg Address is a nearly spherical---though slightly distorted---manifold expanding through space-time. Since that moment is traveling away at the speed of light, it's exactly on the light cone that originated on Novem

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Is the mirror accelerating? (trick question) Douglas Roberts wrote: > Interesting reflection, Frank. > > --Doug > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Frank Wimberly > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Makes me wonder...if there were a large mirror 71.5 light years >

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Interesting reflection, Frank. --Doug On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Frank Wimberly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Makes me wonder...if there were a large mirror 71.5 light years away could > we, in principle, with a powerful enough telescope, witness, say, the > Gettysburg Address? > > Frank > >

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Makes me wonder...if there were a large mirror 71.5 light years away could we, in principle, with a powerful enough telescope, witness, say, the Gettysburg Address? Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Lloyd Sent: Thursday, Septem

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

I couldn't have said it better myself (generally). Differently, perhaps, but not better. --Doug -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Jack - > F

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Jack - First rule of FRIAM: no one talks about specifics. Second rule of FRIAM: no one talks about specifics Robert On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Jack Leibowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > As a new correspondent in the FRIAM family, would someone please explain, > with specifics, what particu

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

My apologies to Phil. My e-mail was intended only for Jack L.Paul ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) ===

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Hi Jack, How did you enjoy Woody's presentation. The new convention center is great! Phil who wrote the text you quote is slightly mad in my opinion, but interesting. Did you here from John Stinson? Paul ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel dea

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Nick, Things that are further away are older (GR). It's just that the light coming from them has taken so long to get here. Ken > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:09 AM > To:

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Dumb question for you cosmologists to chew over: > > How can they be so far away and yet so young? They are young because they are processes using old mater (from the big bang ultimately) and reforming. The bang had a baryon limit of 5,

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant galaxies

Recent accessible stuff from the "Emergent Gravity" conference here: http://www.rle.mit.edu/emergent/ Review and some paper links here: http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/08/emergent-gravity.html My favorite so far (emergent locality!) here: http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0861v2 Emergence may n

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

As a new correspondent in the FRIAM family, would someone please explain, with specifics, what particular emergent ideas are being referred to in the paragraph below. - Original Message - From: "Phil Henshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'The Friday Morning Applied Comp

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

I guess that's the puzzle, since we can't use triangulation to measure distance for stars we use various corollaries for age to measure distance and of distance to measure age, according to the equations that have seemed to make sense so far. That the equations have not been making sense in severa

[FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Dumb question for you cosmologists to chew over: How can they be so far away and yet so young? Or, to put it even dumber, are there parts of the Universe that are so far away that they havent happened yet? I guess this is a question about scales of distance vis a vis scales of time. Nick N

Re: [FRIAM] Sliced bread

I know the feeling. BTW, As others have reported this morning, VirtualBox 2.0 does not allow you to build a (K)Ubuntu 64 bit OS. Not *quite* ready for prime time yet. I confirmed that the Kubuntu installer only detects an i586 processor when trying to install from th eis file (kubuntu-8.04.1-des

Re: [FRIAM] Sliced bread

Douglas Roberts wrote: > VirtualBox 2.0 was released today, and now has 64-bit guest OS support: > > http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-09/sunflash.20080904.1.xml In honor of the occasion, I must build it from source! :-) Marcus FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Sliced bread

VirtualBox 2.0 was released today, and now has 64-bit guest OS support: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-09/sunflash.20080904.1.xml On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Douglas Roberts wrote: > > As in this is the best thing since... > > > > I've been