Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Didn't it take an algorithm (an Inference Engine) to process the heuristics? Also show me some silicon that doesn't use an algorithm somewhere. So do you suppose the Mind Machine Project is a way to break free of this computing/algorithmic model? Robert C Pamela McCorduck wrote: Most of ear

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Tom Johnson
Reunion of AI pioneers: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/science/08sail.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=markoff%20%22artificial%20intelligence%22&st=cse -tj On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > Most of early AI was heuristics, not algorithms. Some algorithms were > incorporated into e

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Most of early AI was heuristics, not algorithms. Some algorithms were incorporated into expert systems, in the belief that if an algorithm could solve the problem, fine; if not, heuristics might. But it was always *might*. True, computers can't solve all problems, neither can humans. P.

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
> For me, the key formal question is whether they will come up with useful > methods that go beyond algorithms (and even languages), because I > believe that's necessary for the more interesting problems in AI. I think one way to do it is to go to... Quantum Probability Theory and Quantum Logic: h

Re: [FRIAM] Let's stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-12-11 Thread James Steiner
Not besides, linkedin doesn't work that way-one must send link requests to *individuals*. "Inviting" a listserv address does not enable the members to link with the sender. -- James On 12/11/09, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Is this an appropriate use of this list. I am worried about the "what i

Re: [FRIAM] Let's stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Smith
Nicholas Thompson wrote: Is this an appropriate use of this list.   I am worried about the "what if everbody did it?" argument.   In short, does asking a list to "friend" you scale up? I suspect poor Pete got tripped by one of the features these social networking sit

Re: [FRIAM] Let's stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-12-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Is this an appropriate use of this list. I am worried about the "what if everbody did it?" argument. In short, does asking a list to "friend" you scale up? n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.n

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Quoting Owen Densmore circa 09-12-11 09:58 AM: > All this translates to the more simple statement that computers cannot > solve all problems. > > Note: The proof simply shows that the set of all sets of strings > (languages) is uncountable, while the set of algorithms is countable. > > So the key

Re: [FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Owen Densmore
The good news here is that Neil Gershenfeld is leading the effort. Very down to earth, lots of street cred, and a mensch besides. One serious problem could be the proof that some languages are not Turing-recognizable. In computer-speak, a language is a set of strings, and any algorithm ha

Re: [FRIAM] Let's stay in touch on LinkedIn

2009-12-11 Thread Elizabeth Cates
Hi Pete, You have an interesting, very international background! I too am a member of FRIAM, but for some reason I cannot accept the invitation. It is probably better to do it within LinkedIn (and probably more time consuming if you are going to do all the FRIAM members). Regards,

[FRIAM] Rethinking artificial intelligence

2009-12-11 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/ai-overview.html --Mikhail FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org