Re: [FRIAM] A question for your Roboteers out there

2011-02-08 Thread Grant Holland
Thanks, Glenn. I was able to find the article from Nick's suggestion - and ran into lots of other good stuff too. Grant On 2/7/11 5:31 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: http://content.wuala.com/contents/gepr/public/every-good-regulator-must-model-Conant_Ashby_(1970).pdf On 2/7/11 10:12 AM,

[FRIAM] Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water, decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08

2011-02-08 Thread Rich Murray
Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water, decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08 Why didn't I see this, right in my face for three weeks? I really wanted the dream to be true, after 22 years... 3. If the flow rate measurement is accepted, and that could

Re: [FRIAM] A question for your Roboteers out there

2011-02-08 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Jochen said information about the system itself and information about other things is the point where self-awareness begins Perhaps this thought is perhaps a little overly compacted. Information about self does not require language, indeed awareness of the outside world does not require

Re: [FRIAM] A question for your Roboteers out there

2011-02-08 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
I'm not sure whether it matters to this discussion, but James Gibson (famous perceptual researcher) claimed there was no information about the world that was not information about the self (or in psych-parlance, that there was no easy distinction between exteroception and proprioception).

Re: [FRIAM] A question for your Roboteers out there

2011-02-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Eric, You wrote, paraphrasing Gibson, that there was no easy distinction between exteroception and proprioception). Yes BUT…. Some of that information from the world is more useful to predicting what I am going to do and other information is more useful for predict what other things

Re: [FRIAM] A question for your Roboteers out there

2011-02-08 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Well Gentlemen, I must pause and read more of the Gombrich /Gibson dispute. Jochen started all this … I learned long ago to be fearful of little ideas and silly questions. Curious that the principals all seem to have some experience with aerial imaging. I was also an aerial photo