[FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread peggy miller
Thanks for input from a number of you on the magnet/toxins/windmill issue. Seems like we need to get wind turbine price tag to include pollution mitigation at bare minimum. -- Peggy Miller, owner/OEO Highland Winds wix.com/peggymiller/highlandwinds Shop is at 1520 S. 7th St. W. (Just west of Russ

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
It appears that your conclusion was made independent of the facts. Perhaps your conclusion serves some unidentified agenda, could you explain who WE is and how the PRICE TAG is adjusted to effect a specific end? I ecall how the price of cigarettes in Canada was increased to reflect the supposed in

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Douglas Roberts
:) On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > It appears that your conclusion was made independent of the facts. Perhaps > your conclusion serves some unidentified agenda, could you explain who WE is > and how the PRICE TAG is adjusted to effect a specific end? > > I ecall how

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Vlad, Not sure why Peggy's comment deserved such a trolllish response. I will join in her view that if we are to base our economy on competition, then the practice of exporting externalities to the neighborhoods and nations of the powerless has to stop. We have to work to find the true

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Russ Abbott
Yes, and no. Nick, you wrote, "if we are to base our economy on competition, then the practice of exporting externalities ... has to stop" The fact is that if we base our economy on competition, there is every incentive to export externalities. We can, of course, make rules and regulations that a

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Carl Tollander
This is a weird turn of phrase, to "export externalities". Where are we exporting them from if they are already, well, external? Hmph. Of course we import them as well, for example the flight you take today is safer and cheaper because the complex of airplane manufacturers, airports and r

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Russ Abbott
I agree that "export externalities" is a strange phrase. I think the intended meaning is to export costs to the environment to avoid paying for them directly. The obvious example is pollution. The polluter doesn't pay because he exports that cost to the world at large. Markets and competition to m

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Carl Tollander
Ah, but the polluter (the bosses, the bosses they're eating strawberries and cream!) doesn't give a damn. It's only a "cost" to those folks in, say, Bhopal, at least during the original time of export and perhaps not even then until the balloon goes up. The polluter and her accountants don't

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Russ Abbott
That's exactly Nick's point. He says we should make it a cost to the polluter. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 * blog: *http://russabbott.blogspot.com/