Re: [FRIAM] What evolves?

2011-05-10 Thread Steve Smith
Dear old bald guy with big eyebrows (aka Nick).. I'm becoming an old bald guy myself with earlobes that are sagging and a nose that continues to grow despite the rest of his face not so much. I look forward to obtaining eyebrows even half as impressive as yours! Now *there* is some

Re: [FRIAM] What evolves?

2011-05-10 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve: This is sort of fun: Which is more advanced; a horse's hoof or a human hand.? Answer: the hoof is way more advanced. (Actually I asked the question wrong, it should have been horses forearm) Why? Because the word advanced means just altered from the ancestral structure

Re: [FRIAM] What evolves?

2011-05-10 Thread Prof David West
minor points 1- evolution takes a singular subject - some individual thing evolves. 2- what originally evolved was a book or scroll - i.e. it unrolled - hence it evolved; or a flower - which unfolded hence evolved. 3- a human evolves - according to homunculus theory of embryology - by unfolding

Re: [FRIAM] What evolves?

2011-05-10 Thread Russ Abbott
Dave, I don't understand how you would apply those points to the term when used in its Darwinian context. It sounds like you would say that Darwinian evolution is a misuse of the term. Is that what you are saying? If so, is there another term you would substitute? If not, how do you put your

[FRIAM] Introduction

2011-05-10 Thread Bruce Sherwood
As a new member of this list, I was invited to introduce myself. My connection to Friam is that after Peter Lissaman told me about it, my wife Ruth Chabay and I realized that attending the Friday morning coffee-house discussions at St. Johns was just what we geeks needed -- the company of other

Re: [FRIAM] What evolves?

2011-05-10 Thread sasmyth
Dave - Can you put my assumption that one can speak meaningfully of the evolution of a system or subsystem into the context of your minor points? What of co-evolution of interdependent species (humans/grains, megafauna/megafruit, predator/prey/forage networks, etc.) or of a network thereof?

[FRIAM] Sherwood Physics, the Right Stuff!

2011-05-10 Thread plissaman
Ruth and Bruce's books are truly excellent.  I think Feynman would have approved.  I wish I'd been taught their way.  It would be nice to have them give a short series of well-chosen informal seminars on their ideas.  For ignorant adults, if there are any in Friam.  I am, and would learn a

[FRIAM] What evolves? [Deleted extra bytes and resent]

2011-05-10 Thread Victoria Hughes
In fact, evolution as we are discussing it is always a system event, yes? Since everything is interconnected, change in any part of the system affects all the system to a greater or lesser degree. So Steve's interdependent systems are a mutually beneficial co- evolution, whereas cancer or