Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

2012-01-25 Thread Owen Densmore
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:10 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote: > Owen, > To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How can > something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people are > orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a "free > marketplace o

Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

2012-01-25 Thread Arlo Barnes
Dear All: To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How >> can something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people >> are orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a >> "free marketplace of ideas" is inherently contradictory. Either it is an >

Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

2012-01-25 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld
Hello, I had also called up our congressman about SOPA/PIPA and asked him to support OPEN instead. Have the senators supporting the bills reversed? My feeling is that when someone uses the term "free", "equality", ( in engineering - "robust", "optimal", etc.) It must always be applied with respec

Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

2012-01-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Didja get the ms? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:11 AM To: Owen Densmore Cc: The; Group; disc...@sfcomplex.org Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs Owen, To shift slightly... Aren't there conf

Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

2012-01-25 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Owen, To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How can something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people are orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a "free marketplace of ideas" is inherently contradictory. Either it is an anarchy, or it

Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

2012-01-25 Thread Owen Densmore
Ben Lujan got back to me w/ a form letter. I wonder if he'd really like to discuss: - Off-shore server farms - How to stop piracy but still be able to lend an e-book - Non US servers => only can stop within the routers, VERY dangerous. - Putting onus on ISPs is expensive and very difficult. - Not

Re: [FRIAM] Complex Numbers .. the end of the line?

2012-01-25 Thread Owen Densmore
+1! I'd love to attend. Lets see if we can reach quorum. Dean may not be on the list (he may be on wedtech, discuss, or sfx_graphics instead), or he may have multiple email addresses and sent from one not associated with his friam membership. That's the typical problem getting bounces from the

Re: [FRIAM] Complex Numbers .. the end of the line?

2012-01-25 Thread Grant Holland
Dean, Frank, Owen, That would be 3 hours delightfully spent. Sign me up. Thanks! - Grant On 1/24/12 8:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: This is a message from Dean Gerber. For some reason it didn't reach the List when he sent it. I forward it at his request. I will certainly attend the lectur