Re: [FRIAM] PRISM/AP kerfluffle, etc

2013-06-14 Thread glen
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 17:09 -0400, mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: > However, I think many people do have impossible and unrealistic security > expectations, and if you ask a lot of them (including me) on 9/12/2001 what > would be appropriate, systematic cloud server intercepts and data mining > wouldn

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-14 Thread glen
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 09:37 +0200, Jochen Fromm wrote: > Is the problem of surveillance to find the right tradeoff between > privacy and security, as president Obama says? What do you think? No. That's a false dichotomy. I think what's really happening is the ongoing negotiation between distrib

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-14 Thread Grant Holland
Glen, Your arguments are very considered, deliberate - even careful - and polite. However, let me pile on with this screed: I thought that the kind of general governmental overreach that we are talking about here was the reason we took on the USSR as an enemy during the 1950s+ (not to mentio

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-14 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
Glen wrote: > I think what's really happening is the > ongoing negotiation between distributed versus centralized control. Keep in mind that it (e.g. SCI) necessarily leads to distributed control mechanisms. So it's not a simple distinction between citizens opting for strong/big vs. weak/small g

[FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-14 Thread Roger Critchlow
Here's a pyrocumulus over the Silver fire estimated at 6-7 miles (31-37 thousand feet), though I don't know how he worked out the angles from Wisconsin. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=81402&src=eorss-nh -- rec -- ===

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] pyrocumulus

2013-06-14 Thread Parks, Raymond
Shadow and sun angle? IR image? Ray Parks From: Roger Critchlow [mailto:r...@elf.org] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 11:19 AM Mountain Standard Time To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [EXTERNAL] [FRIAM] pyrocumulus Here's a pyrocumulus over the Silver fire estimated a

[FRIAM] the samsung galaxy s4.

2013-06-14 Thread Gillian Densmore
*Chris berman voice*: It. Will Go. All The. Way. So yeah- steeling the american football theme liberally: It's got a kick arse O-line in terms of what counts for me- and is looking to be a super bowl contender. Based on my usage from one day- mine needs to live on a stationary bike though s

Re: [FRIAM] the samsung galaxy s4.

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Johnson
My wife has one. Great device, but I fear today's reality is that you want to be carrying at least two extra batteries. Fortunately, they are <$10. -tj On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > *Chris berman voice*: > It. Will Go. All The. Way. > > So yeah- steeling the