Stephen writes:
“Three most used non-biological examples I've seen are:
* ferromagnetism (described with ising model)
[..]
The Ising model is just a model, however. Even though an Ising system can
encode functions, I don’t think that arbitrary functions are found in nature.
As a ridiculou
>
> *Marcos writes*
> The Ising model is just a model, however.
My example was the *physical phenomena* of ferromagnetism not the Ising
model that describes it. Eg heat up a physical magnet past its critical
point (Curie temperature) and the metal loses its alignment/magnetic
polarity as a collec
Stephen writes:
“My example was the physical phenomena of ferromagnetism not the Ising model
that describes it. Eg heat up a physical magnet past its critical point (Curie
temperature) and the metal loses its alignment/magnetic polarity as a
collective property.”
The complex things an Ising mo
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
> A complex system involves agents with the following properties.
>
>- They can accumulate (and store) free energy.
>- They have means to release that energy.
>- They respond to (symbolic) information, i.e., symbols. By that I
>m
Yeah, but you're relying on the ambiguity of the concept. A system that is
only complex for very short spans of time, or under very special conditions
wouldn't fit with _most_ people's concept of "complex". To boot, unadulterated
oscillation wouldn't satisfy it either. And, as has been said e
Glen,
Let me take one claim at a time.
Do you agree that at least one of these is an example of a non-biological
complex system?
- ferromagnetic system (described with ising model)
- Bénard cell formation (convection)
- Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction
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Heh, you're not going to make an empathetic attempt to listen to Russ' intent?
8^)
My answer is either or both "yes" and/or "no", because your words are too
ambiguous. Both "complex" and "system" are left to the audience's imagination.
I would say that each of those _can_ exhibit complex phen
> Heh, you're not going to make an empathetic attempt to listen to Russ'
intent? 8^)
I am listening to Russ. I do think he's defining a sub-class of complex
systems (eg living systems). I would like to keep the definition of
"complex systems" broader than that though.
I understand the subtle dist
On 05/26/2017 04:54 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
> I am listening to Russ. I do think he's defining a sub-class of complex
> systems (eg living systems). I would like to keep the definition of
> "complex systems" broader than that though.
OK. But I don't think he's necessarily _asserting_ that only
My app that reads emails aloud, as they arrive, says "a new email has
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On May 26, 2017 6:08 PM, "glen ☣" wrote:
> On 05/26/2017 04:54 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
> > I am listening to Russ. I do think he's defini
Frank -
That is a sweet thing to share with us. I enjoyed the implications of
it when I first noticed it rendered as a symbol vague or ambiguous
(intentionally or not) as it is. I'm sure hearing it blurted out by a
machine voice just adds another level of fun for me. I helps that he
seeme
Heh, truth in advertising!
On May 26, 2017 5:11:25 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>My app that reads emails aloud, as they arrive, says "a new email has
>arrived from Glen biohazard". I finally see why.
--
⛧glen⛧
FRIAM Applied Comple
Glen writes:
>
> Not quite. If these systems merely contain subsystems capable of
> exhibiting complexity, then those 3 you listed are not complex systems.
> They are "subsystems capable of exhibiting complexity". So, no. They are
> not complex systems in isolation. Russ' question, I think, tar
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