Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

Dave West writes: "... An example, "the future is in front of us." Unless you're a member of some Andean tribe whose name I've forgotten. Then the past is in front of use because we know what it is, we can see it. And the future is behind us because we know not what it is. (Source: a recent SAR

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

If there is a WedTech on this thread I would also certainly attend. So I vote that Dave gets busy and leads us toward the light. Jenny Quillien On 6/10/2017 8:24 PM, Prof David West wrote: Hi Nick, hope you are enjoying the east. The contrast class for "conceptual metaphor" is "embedded

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

Hi Nick, hope you are enjoying the east. The contrast class for "conceptual metaphor" is "embedded metaphor" ala Lakoff, et. al. An example, "the future is in front of us." Unless, of course you speak Aymaran in which case "the future is behind us." Steve, I do not regularly attend WedTech, but

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

Steve, Notice that you use a metaphor, here to account for creative activity in science. , it was backed into while bumping around looking for something entirely different I can imagine you and I sitting down and describing a particular case in which we found something while looking

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

Hi, Dave, Thanks for taking the time to lay this out. I wonder what you call the present status of “natural selection” as a metaphor. In this case, the analogues between the natural situation and the pigeon coop remain strong, but most users of the theory have become ignorant about the

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Wow, Steve. Wow! He’s sompin! n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

And invoking the term "twist", he added a bit of Möbius Strip connotation! It did feel ingenious to me as well. As an odd aside, I'm designing a "feathered serpent" bas-relief design for the rocket mass heater I built last year in my sunroom... I hadn't considered adding the Ourobousian

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I had never heard the word ouroboros before Dave used it. Thanks for the term. But even though I had never heard the term, the ouroboros was the image that came to mind when I first learned recursion! On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:22 PM Steven A Smith

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

Dave - Thanks for weighing in here, my own studies have not been so formal nor probably as deep. I have to admit to not knowing that cognitive anthropology was a subject, just as Nick introduced me to evolutionary psychology as it's own field! I appreciate your introduction of /epiphor/,

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Nick - I'm not sure I've observed a "fingers in the ears shouting" here, but I do understand the point I think. I always read FriAM discussions as if the goal is exactly what you stated... to find a common language/model/metaphor to use to discuss. As Glen aptly put it, these threads often

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

The Hearsay system might serve. It was a speech understanding system developed at CMU in the 1970s. It could take sound and, if it were connected human speech, produce a written version. Raj Reddy constantly used the phrase "signal to symbol" to describe what we were working on in general. The

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Dear Vib, So, perhaps the question we should all be asking ourselves is “How far do we engage in a conversation in which we don’t really understand one another? And, when we find ourselves engaged in such a conversation what do we do? One option, of course, is for each us to put his

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long long ago, my master's thesis in computer science and my phd dissertation in cognitive anthropology dealt extensively with the issue of metaphor and model, specifically in the area of artificial intelligence and cognitive models of "mind." the very first academic papers I published dealt with

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Frank, These are exactly the sorts of considerations we have to bring to bear when we “cash out” a scientific metaphor. What DIFFERENCE does it make when we call something a layer. What EXACTLY is the experience that we are bringing to bear? How was Friday’s meeting of the M. C.

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

I agree with Steve that lamina is biased with the assumption of continuous flow. Discrete aggreagation like coral deposition or FACS based cell by cell deposition would not be evoked by the term lamina. As an aside, although (serial) diffusion limited aggregation is often used to model coral

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and mollusk shell formation. Though they don't really interact, they are deposited kinda like spray paint. Coral deposition might also work well as a canonical example. On June 9, 2017 9:20:37 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >"strata in geology have *some* precedent