Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

☣ - > Well, your abstract seems to assume something akin to coherence, the idea > that whatever's doing the introspection is a whole/atomic thing perceiving > that whole/atomic thing. I think we know that established types of > self-perception (proprio-, entero-) consist of one sub-component mo

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

Hi, Steve, Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 9:47 AM To: friam@r

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

Perhaps along with manipulate and observe could be predict. Presently, I am making my way through two books on predictive processing. 1) Surfing Uncertainty, by Andy Clark 2) Extended Consciousness and Predictive Processing, by M. Kirchhoff and J. Kiverstein Phenomenal consciousness either arisin

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

As an addendum to my previous comment above, I suppose introspection to be understood in terms of querying one's own nervous system. Perhaps, to introspect is to attempt to simulate patterns of sensory input, stimulating the nervous system into returning its predictions. ===

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

Nick writes: As software engineers, what conditions would a program have to fulfill to say that a computer was monitoring “itself It is common for codes that calculate things to periodically test invariants that should hold. For example, a physics code might test for conservation of mass

[FRIAM] A winter party

Dear Members of the Mother Church, You all know me, I am afraid, as a man of Big Ideas and Questionable Follow Through. You have been forewarned. I think the Mother Church ought to hold a Winter Party. I think once a year our spouses should have an opportunity to see that we all aren't

Re: [FRIAM] A winter party

I don't remember that. Why wasn't I informed? --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:35 PM wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] A winter party

You were there! I saw you. Debbie sat and talked to your hostess for a long time. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpre

Re: [FRIAM] A winter party

They have an expression down here for that kind of thing. It's called PV (puta vejez, i.e. f***ing old age). I've starting attributing a lot of things these days to la PV. On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 2:59 PM wrote: > You were there! I saw you. Debbie sat and talked to your hostess for a > long tim

Re: [FRIAM] A winter party

Gary, Well, of course it could be my PV, not franks. I find that I make things up as often as I forget things. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

I would say the problem of debugging (or introspection if you insist) is like if you find yourself at some random place, never seen before, and the task it do develop a map and learn the local language and customs. If one is given the job of law enforcement (debugging violations of law), it is

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection

I would go along with Johsua Epstein's "if you did not grow it you did not explain it". Keep in mind that this motto applies to problems involving emergence. So what I'm saying is that it's in many cases futile to apply logic to reasoning to find answers - and I refer to the emergent properties of