Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Marcus, Yes, this gets to the nut of it for me: > On Apr 10, 2021, at 6:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Anyway, 't Hooft doesn't say QM is flawed, just that QM isn't an explanation. > He makes the distinction between the value of his idea as an interpretation > vs. the possibility it (C

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
't Hooft mentions the possible implications for quantum computing. This model brings to mind the old lattice gas architecture designs as a possible simulation approach.[1] Also being interested in artificial atoms in a highly isolated environment instead of "real" ones, some of the objections

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread David Eric Smith
I also found this post fascinating, Marcus, thank you. T’Hooft has been on this program for a long time, and the whole thing mystifies me. He’s a just-enormous mind, and very fastidious in what he considers acceptable argument, so someone very much worth listening to. But why does he think a c

Re: [FRIAM] The CA Interpretation of QM

2021-04-09 Thread Jochen Fromm
There is a preprint from t'Hooft where he suggests that Quantum Mechanics emerges from vacuum fluctuations. It could be something in this direction.  https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.02019-J. Original message From: Jochen Fromm Date: 4/10/21 00:51 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] The CA Interpretation of QM

2021-04-09 Thread Jochen Fromm
Interesting book. IMHO neither the weird rules of Quantum Mechanics nor the Standard Model can be really fundamental. Why do we have 3 generations of matter (electron, muon, tau & up/down, charm/strange, top/bottom quarks) and not 1, 2 or 4? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeptonWhere do the stran

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Yes, for me, it is that entanglement in a CA is consistent with my world. No spooky action at a distance and without invoking much of any machinery to get there. When I was a child I loved taking things apart and in my teenage years spent a lot of time disassembling codes. I liked the fe

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
't Hooft has been has a book on these topics.[1] He has papers periodically like this one where he socializes the idea in different ways. The argument in this paper is if there were fast background variables, in quantum experiments like the double slit experiment, it could explain how these pr

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

2021-04-09 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Ha! OK. I'll try to read that. I read the abstract 4 times and still don't know what I'm about to read. I read the introduction once and still don't know what to expect. My next step is the Discussion, then the meat. If you care to toss a bone, I'd appreciate it. But then again, you might be rew

Re: [FRIAM] Effigification

2021-04-09 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Excellent self-examination of your meaning of effigification and effigy.  I like the point of "reflective" models.  It actually carries some of the qualities in my version of "straw man" which is *deliberately* weak, not so it can be torn down easily, but so nobody is offended if it gets ra

Re: [FRIAM] Effigification

2021-04-09 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Yeah, that's a good point. I was surreptitiously undermined at both the dot-coms I worked for. At one of them, I confronted the guy I suspected of doing so in a small meeting with his closest allies. He took that opportunity to argue to his allies that I'd been "jockeying" for some higher rung i

Re: [FRIAM] Effigification

2021-04-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
I would separate been criticized in a fair way from being sideswiped, e.g. to a boss, to peers, or in public. Yes some people can’t even handle having their ego injured in private. But if someone is going after you in a way that can hurt in a substantive way, then the one must consider a resp

Re: [FRIAM] Effigification

2021-04-09 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Yes, I definitely consider them effigies. But I don't focus on the antipathy so much as some sort of canon or prototype. You can do with it what you will once you have that analog. People often have a problem separating their *self* from their arguments. All the lip service we give to avoiding