Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Roger Critchlow
For more on the wondrous Emmy Noether, listen to https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00025bw and find out how she solved Einstein's problem with the conservation of energy while he was formulating general relativity. -- rec -- -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Couple of small PSAs: > On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:28 AM, Nicholas Thompson > wrote: > > And why do we keep calling it by it/s cult name, rather than calling it what > it is? The difference between the energy of a moving object conveyed by its > velocity and that conveyed by its position in a fie

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread glen
Well, sure. But another piece of [mal|mis|dis]information in Sutter's video was "I can use a little trick called the Calculus of Variations ..." blahblahblah. I chose to focus on integration, in general, mostly because of Stephen's response, but also because it's less on point toward the ultima

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Nick, Two points, first an answer to your request to share my intuition, then maybe a possible source for you to learn more: My understanding of the concept of least action in physics is that it involves the principle that objects in the universe exhibit a tendency to minimize the transfer of ene

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Cumulus Nevis

2023-07-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Diane will explain! Sent from my Dumb Phone On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Good idea. Aren’t they the same? Sent from my Dumb Phone On Jul 3, 2023, at 12:29 PM, John Kennison wrote:  Hi Nick, We have been entertaining visitors for the week-end. I did notice that yo

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Cumulus Nevis

2023-07-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Good idea. Aren’t they the same? Sent from my Dumb Phone On Jul 3, 2023, at 12:29 PM, John Kennison wrote:  Hi Nick, We have been entertaining visitors for the week-end. I did notice that you seem to be back on the farm. Do you want to meet for chess or philosophy or both? --John. From: F

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Cumulus Nevis

2023-07-03 Thread John Kennison
Hi Nick, We have been entertaining visitors for the week-end. I did notice that you seem to be back on the farm. Do you want to meet for chess or philosophy or both? --John. From: Friam on behalf of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 3:40 PM To: Fr

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
As a senior at Berkeley I took a course in integration. It was all about Lebesgue measure and integration, Fubini's theorem etc. We didn't calculate the integral of any function arising from physics. That's for sophomores and they can look the integrals up in tables. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 C

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread glen
What do you think "integrate" means? On 7/3/23 08:28, Nicholas Thompson wrote: BEGIN HARRUMPH! Just so's you know, I did write: *" And for some reason, the path taken by the object through space will integrate this difference across the distance between any two points "* * * But never doubt t

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
BEGIN HARRUMPH! Just so's you know, I did write: *" And for some reason, the path taken by the object through space will integrate this difference across the distance between any two points "* But never doubt the capacity of some group of experts, when challenged to make sense of themselves, to

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Diddle I say so? On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 2:17 AM Stephen Guerin wrote: > The Action is the integral of the Lagrangian along the whole path, not > just a single instant. > > On Sun, Jul 2, 2023, 9:12 PM Nicholas Thompson > wrote: > >> So the difference is at a positive max when the ball hits the

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thank you Peter for that helpful answer. You seem to endorse what I am calling "Roberts's Maxim": "*He who would try to understand fluid dynamics will never understand fluid dynamics*." Still, I would like to know what your intuitive answer is, even though it will probably be beyond me. My fascin

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread Gary Schiltz
“hairball heterarchy of metaphor“ Now there’s a Wikipedia article in need of writing. On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 9:14 AM glen wrote: > Yeah, Sutter triggered me when he said "but you don't have to worry about > that if you don't know what an integral is". I mean ... maybe? This stuff > is like hero

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

2023-07-03 Thread glen
Yeah, Sutter triggered me when he said "but you don't have to worry about that if you don't know what an integral is". I mean ... maybe? This stuff is like heroin to an addict, right? Models upon models upon models. And not just in a simple stack, but a hairball heterarchy of metaphor. You kin