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From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection
, January 25, 2020 at 10:48 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection
I would go along with Johsua Epstein's "if you did not grow it you did not
explain it". Keep in mind that this motto applies to problems involving
onventions to follow.I would say this
>>> distinction between the modeler and the modeled is not that helpful. To
>>> really avoid bugs, one wants to have metaphorical citizens that are
>>> genetically incapable of breaking laws. Privileged access is kind of
>
e the point because in practice software is often far too big to fully
>> rationalize.
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ractice software is often far too big to fully
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To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection
Thanks, Marcus,
Am I correct that all of your examples fall with in this frame;
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I keep expecting you guys to scream at me, “Of cour
Nick writes:
As software engineers, what conditions would a program have to fulfill to say
that a computer was monitoring “itself
It is common for codes that calculate things to periodically test invariants
that should hold. For example, a physics code might test for conservation of
mass
As an addendum to my previous comment above, I suppose
introspection to be understood in terms of querying one's
own nervous system. Perhaps, to introspect is to attempt
to simulate patterns of sensory input, stimulating the nervous
system into returning its predictions.
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Perhaps along with manipulate and observe could be predict.
Presently, I am making my way through two books on predictive processing.
1) Surfing Uncertainty, by Andy Clark
2) Extended Consciousness and Predictive Processing, by M. Kirchhoff and J.
Kiverstein
Phenomenal consciousness either arisin
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction and Introspection
☣ -
Well, your abstract seems to assume something akin to coherence, the idea that
whatever's doing the introspection is a whole/atomic thing perceiving that
whole/atomic thing. I think we know that established ty
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> Well, your abstract seems to assume something akin to coherence, the idea
> that whatever's doing the introspection is a whole/atomic thing perceiving
> that whole/atomic thing. I think we know that established types of
> self-perception (proprio-, entero-) consist of one sub-component mo
Nick writes (about Glen):
“At FRIAM today, some of us were talking with wonder and gratitude about your
extra-ordinary ability to read and comment on what others write.”
I think he must just not be distracted by Slack. ☺
But seriously, Glen is fast!
Marcus
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I'm sure you're being generous by *not* calling me argumentative or contrarian,
or any number of other words. 8^) But I'll take it, anyway.
In the text you attached, you talk about that other module and privileged
access. As far as how I think many *others* talk about self-perception, I have
no
Well, your abstract seems to assume something akin to coherence, the idea that
whatever's doing the introspection is a whole/atomic thing perceiving that
whole/atomic thing. I think we know that established types of self-perception
(proprio-, entero-) consist of one sub-component monitoring ano
Thanks, Pieter,
Interesting comments. To be a 1k percent honest, this was sent to the list by
mistake. It was meant to go to my collaborator, Eric Charles, as a new way to
organize a paper we are writing. But after reading your comments, I was glad
I had made the mistake.
I was we
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