Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread thompnickson2
.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of doug carmichael Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room dog is highly interconnected - hormones, ne

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread thompnickson2
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:19 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] GPT-3 a

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
IDK. The controversy over the book "White Fragility" (e.g. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/) is a modern refinement. But our extended conversations about steelmanning, active listening, and demonstrations of understanding doveta

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread thompnickson2
michael Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:06 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room words emerge as adapted sounds to complex contexts of emergence. They are not defined, except approximately. if ever, later. (I tried a Heider and

[FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Jon Zingale
>From my perspective, it is helpful to consider a larger history of the consciousness debate. In what could be considered *the beginning of theend* of African slavery in the west, natural philosophers would seek to find in the physiology of black men structures to explain their *inferiority* and in

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread doug carmichael
s://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of doug carmichael > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:20 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffe

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
om > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *doug carmichael > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:20 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] GPT-

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Much of this is begging for, as Nick pointed out, one's cryptic definition of "computer". Lee posted a nice definition awhile back, one which I think is flawed. But it was nice anyway: On 3/11/15 3:41 PM, lrudo...@meganet.net posted:> A computation is a process whereby we proceed from > initia

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread thompnickson2
m: Friam On Behalf Of doug carmichael Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room dog is highly interconnected - hormones, nerves, senses, and environment. neurons are not binary . every synapse is

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *doug carmichael > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 9:54 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread doug carmichael
ay Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room > > I imagine playing chess, or go, with a computer. As I play I have a very > enlivening experience of playing. The computer seems to have no such thing. > For me, in my engagement,

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Prof David West
:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 9:12 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room > > Smart computer (program). Nick, is the behaviorist position that if it > be

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread thompnickson2
From: Friam On Behalf Of doug carmichael Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 9:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room I imagine playing chess, or go, with a computer. As I play I have a very enlivening experience of playing.

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
fessor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 9:12 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Compl

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread thompnickson2
<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 9:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room Smart computer (program).

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread doug carmichael
I imagine playing chess, or go, with a computer. As I play I have a very enlivening experience of playing. The computer seems to have no such thing. For me, in my engagement, “Every neuron is listening to the mutter of the crowd.” Jerry Lettvin, MIT. If The computer goes on to win it has not

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Smart computer (program). Nick, is the behaviorist position that if it behaves as though it thinks than it thinks? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 8:28 PM Alexander Rasmus wrote: > There's also a lot of stuff that i

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread Alexander Rasmus
There's also a lot of stuff that isn't poetry. He generates Dwarf Fortress patch notes in the Misc section. There's even a section where GPT-3 argues that it doesn't really understand anything (bold at the start is a shortened version of the prompt): "*AI will never be able to truly* think for the

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread glen
Excellent. Thanks! I'd seen the link to Gwern from Slate Star Codex. But I loathe poetry. Now that you've recommended it, I have no choice. 8^) On July 27, 2020 6:32:15 PM PDT, Alexander Rasmus wrote: >Glen, > >Gwern has an extensive post on GPT-3 poetry experimentation here: >https://www.gwern

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread Alexander Rasmus
Glen, Gwern has an extensive post on GPT-3 poetry experimentation here: https://www.gwern.net/GPT-3 I strongly recommend the section on the Cyberiad, where GPT-3 stands in for Trurl's Electronic Bard: https://www.gwern.net/GPT-3#stanislaw-lems-cyberiad There's some discussion of fine tuning inpu

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-27 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
I think I read somewhere that width is 2048. What's that? Like a short paper ... half an in-depth paper? An Atlantic article, maybe? I know they delayed the release of GPT-2 and haven't released GPT-3 because of the abuse potential. But it would be very cool to prime it with a long expression, g

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-21 Thread Russell Standish
As I noted on the slashdot post, I was really surprised at the number of trainable parameters. 175 billion. Wow! The trainable parameters in an ANN is basically just the synapses, so this is actually a human brain scale ANN (I think I read elsewhere this model is an ANN), as the human brain is esti

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-21 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
I doubt it. I remember it being in the context of someone asking for a *simple* explanation of Noether's theorem. There was no context of your boss or a philosopher or anything like that. I don't even remember you being there. The Chinese Room wasn't really even relevant to that conversation. So

Re: [FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Re: Chinese Room I mentioned the Chinese Room thought experiment to my erstwhile boss, a bona fide philosopher. His reaction, "Anything follows from a false premise.". I think he meant that having a room full of Chinese scholars who laboriously execute a complex algorithm they don't understand i

[FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-21 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Just for any old cf: https://analyticsindiamag.com/open-ai-gpt-3-code-generator-app-building/ Someone mentioned in a recent thread, here, the Chinese Room thought experiment, to which my reaction is always "Bah! That's nothing but a loaded question" ... like "have you stopped beating your child?