Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: what you'll say next? Can dialog occur asynchronously? Real, dirty, concrete, human dialog where it's clear when you've offended someone or it's clear that they're body chemistry is off that day? The above is a

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread PPARYSKI
I suspect that Reed's law does not apply to legislative bodies, particularly the NM legislature and perhaps to the US Congress. In my rather limited experience, I find that groups of 3-9 people are the most effective when trying to accomplish a real task. But then again perhaps these are

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: Even worse, we've all become a bunch of bean counters (or at least lawyers), reading what people _write_ rather than listening to what they _mean_. I reckon that what many `real-life' individuals or groups often _mean_ is a subconscious impulse: to impose their

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Owen Densmore
During this conversation and a few others I've been involved with recently, I *am* becoming more aware of just how many groups I'm involved in and how they impact the web. And yes, the full power set is a long way from happening, Reed merely is pointing out a term in the equation, one with

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Owen Densmore wrote: During this conversation and a few others I've been involved with recently, I *am* becoming more aware of just how many groups I'm involved in and how they impact the web. And yes, the full power set is a long way from happening, Reed merely is pointing out a term in

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus G. Daniels wrote: I reckon that what many `real-life' individuals or groups often _mean_ is a subconscious impulse: to impose their personal set of issues on others and get people to go their way, so as to make their life better. They

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: I'm not so sure. When you hang out with think-tank types (or, in general, people who are smarter than they _need_ to be), then this may be true. But, I don't think it's not true for the general population. Examples I was thinking of: churches, community watch

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Michael Orshan
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:59 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: I'm not so

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Michael Orshan wrote: Now just because some content is out there doesn't mean people will flock to it. That requires advertising and traffic. One thing that makes me a little cranky is that, from the perspective of the web, social networking sites seem to be hosted by commercial entities.

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Examples I was thinking of: churches, community watch groups, school boards, that sort of thing. People that want those in their peer group to present themselves in a low risk, low dimensionality, low variability

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: You're saying that the members of churches, neighborhood watch groups, schools, etc. purposefully engage in the attempt to encourage (impose, coax, coerce, etc.) others around them to act and think like them. This social engineering is perfectly akin to an

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: Option 1 is that a recipient can't understand a concern or is unable to act on a request for change from a signaler Option 2 is that a recipient understands the concern but has a different value system from the signaler that renders it moot If the effect of their

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-20 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note, of course, that he directly defines the possible number of sub-groups in a network as its 'utility' or as in the first line of the link defining that, the 'hapiness' of the net! If you assume that the same participants behave in different interesting ways

Re: [FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-20 Thread steve smith
Owen wrote: Its all about beyond Metcalf's value of the network being n^2, bringing in the power set of subgroups networks can form, thus valuing the network as 2^n. For years I have been (falsely) asserting that groups of N have N! subgroups... I even started to assert that here but

[FRIAM] Reed's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007-08-19 Thread Owen Densmore
Interesting to see that David Reed's Law is now in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed's_law Its all about beyond Metcalf's value of the network being n^2, bringing in the power set of subgroups networks can form, thus valuing the network as 2^n. Stephen has the insight that