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2016-12-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
f of Roger Critchlow Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 12:47:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Stop Calling People "Low Information Voters" | Quillette https://medium.com/@Richard_Florida/the-most-disruptive-transformation-in-history-80a50ef8

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2016-12-04 Thread Roger Critchlow
> > -- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore < > o...@backspaces.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 10:27:23 AM > *To:* Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Stop Calling People "Low Information Voters" | > Qui

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2016-12-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
ooter&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=Blogs> www.nytimes.com Progressive urban areas pay more taxes and have less voting power than rural ones. From: Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 10:2

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2016-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
This seems right to me, Pamela, It also seems appropriate to learn the history of Weimar better, and I don’t know very much about it. A key point seems to be that the Germans didn’t suddenly wake up in the 1930s and decide to adopt a totalitarian state and exterminate millions of people, drivi

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2016-12-02 Thread Eric Smith
Roger, hi, It isn’t a databse of local governments, but there is such an effort for local NGOs which grow out of thoroughly-understood problems, and which have non-nonsense urgent motives to solve the problems. Paul Hawken has a book summarizing part of this, and I believe there is a database

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2016-12-02 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:56 PM, glen ☣ wrote: > > We could try a parallax approach, though ... divide the whole into parts > by multiple (different) methods (state, county, demographic, ...) and use > something akin to Kullback-Leibler to constrain a set of "common models", > perhaps in the conte

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2016-12-02 Thread glen ☣
I'd agree. Like with Gillian's recent comment about basic needs satisfaction, a common problem in all of this is the [in]accuracy of self-reporting. This video states it well enough: Why Socrates hated Democracy https://youtu.be/fLJBzhcSWTk "I cause you trouble and go against your desir

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2016-12-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Regardless (unlike typical proportional representation systems), the ways should be based on data taken (via methodologically well-founded measures) from the world, not arbitrarily justificationist ideas farted out by our minds." I reckon that states' rights are really about allowing for more a

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2016-12-02 Thread ┣glen┫
It still seems clear to me that the problem lies in the (overzealous) attribution [*] of systemic properties based on flimsy or nonexistent patterns in the collection of individuals. The (false) attribution of consensus is similar to that of a political mandate after winning an election. This

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2016-12-01 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
oup Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Stop Calling People "Low Information Voters" | Quillette Well, sure. But, speaking for myself, I see plenty of snobbish, aloof, and patronizing expression in the speech and action of people like Richard Spencer and Mencius Moldbug (Curtis Yarvin) -- and the i

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2016-12-01 Thread Merle Lefkoff
The ruling classes were just plain tone-deaf. Our bad. I'm a post-capitalist revolutionary Canadian College professor and activist working hard to prevent this country from slipping further into economic oligarchy, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Trump will surprise us in some nifty ways bec

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2016-12-01 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I found the article just silly. Yes, the comparison between Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow is apt. Maybe we should call the Trumpists “trigger finger voters” and the Clinton voters, “think before you pull the trigger” voters. Also apt, to this student (and survivor) of WW II are the parallels

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2016-12-01 Thread ┣glen┫
Well, sure. But, speaking for myself, I see plenty of snobbish, aloof, and patronizing expression in the speech and action of people like Richard Spencer and Mencius Moldbug (Curtis Yarvin) -- and the intellectuals they tend to fawn over. Hell, Ayn Rand has a huge dose of it, too. To go even

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2016-12-01 Thread Marcus Daniels
“High information” people ignore evidence if it conflicts with their preferred narrative all the time. Sometimes evidence is wrong or misinterpreted – sometimes a theory is needed to put evidence into context. That’s not ignoring evidence, that’s seeking even more information and a better fram

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2016-12-01 Thread ┣glen┫
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But we have to be careful with our demographics. I would bet that most of the people who voted for Trump _have_ their basic needs met! Granted, they may be worried about whether they _will_ have their basic needs met in the near or far future. But f

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2016-12-01 Thread Eric Charles
Glen, The style matters. Oddly quite a bit. "Liberal elitism" is snobbish, aloof, and patronizing. Note, it is not the way in which they are "elite", but the "elitism" that rankles the most. Trump's financial-elite bull-in-a-china-shop schtick looks and feels very different, and there are many peop

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2016-12-01 Thread Gillian Densmore
My German friends who's countery to this day is still recovering from Hitler. Those people at least outright said America has got to pull together somehow. The best way to undermine the fear Giano, Drumpf, Fox news, and CNN propogate is to counter it with upbeat things, and the truth. The sooner we

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2016-12-01 Thread Marcus Daniels
moral principle for folks on the left. That makes a lot of sense. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:27 AM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Stop Calling People "Low Information Voters" | Quillette

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2016-12-01 Thread ┣glen┫
On 12/01/2016 10:11 AM, cody dooderson wrote: > Sorry, but I found the first article very disturbing. It seems like an > opinion piece that might have come out during the rise of the Nazi party. It > blames the 'parasitic educated' class, praises the virtues of the military > service, and argue

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2016-12-01 Thread cody dooderson
Sorry, but I found the first article very disturbing. It seems like an opinion piece that might have come out during the rise of the Nazi party. It blames the 'parasitic educated' class, praises the virtues of the military service, and argues in favor racial segregation. My very shallow reading on

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2016-12-01 Thread Owen Densmore
I love it. The Elites are getting hammered. Snobocracy is now so visible that it can be attacked for what it really is. ​​ http://quillette.com/2016/11/30/stop-calling-people-low-information-voters/ ​This was also referred to by this: http://quillette.com/2016/11/14/cut-out-the-literally-h