glen ?
Sent: February-15-17 1:11 PM
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On 02/14/2017 09:51 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
> Thanks for the reorientation! If you want to discuss complexity, I think an
> interesting question regard
On 02/14/2017 09:51 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
> Thanks for the reorientation! If you want to discuss complexity, I think an
> interesting question regarding perception-action systems is how much of the
> complexity has to be inside the organism, and how much of it can be
> encapsulated in the larg
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why depth/thickness matters
Glen,
Thanks for the reorientation! If you want to discuss complexity, I think an
interesting question regarding perception-action systems is how much of the
complexity has to be inside the organism, and how much of it can
Glen,
Thanks for the reorientation! If you want to discuss complexity, I think an
interesting question regarding perception-action systems is how much of the
complexity has to be inside the organism, and how much of it can be
encapsulated in the larger organism-environment system. The more the
comp
On 02/10/2017 05:05 AM, Eric Charles wrote:
> How did this all start again? Where are we going? Did I miss anything crucial?
I started it because of the sentiment that we don't talk much about complexity
on the list. I think you've done a great job addressing the Hoffman paper in
your/Holt/Gib
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:06 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why depth/thickness matters
Alright some more sensible responses, hopefully hitting all the
Alright some more sensible responses, hopefully hitting all the prior
comments:
1) Mark, Marrion, & Hoffman, like almost all biologists interested in
perception, conflate two types of question. The first, is whether there is
sufficient structured energy (for lack of a better term) that reaches
...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 12:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why depth/thickness matters
The way you worded this confuses me. Did you mean "truth is a correspondence
between"? Or did you mean
Late to the party, but still lots to chew on!
It is unfortunate that everyone wants to throw the
simulation/representation/modeling wrench into the middle of what might
otherwise be a very sensible story about about dynamic systems. (And if you
like the dynamic systems side of things, Tony Chemero
The way you worded this confuses me. Did you mean "truth is a correspondence
between"? Or did you mean something like "truth can be corresponded with"? I
typically use the word "truth" to mean the outside, alone, not a map between
the outside and inside. The map between them would be the gr
Thanks for pointing that out. I found this other article of Eric's more
helpful:
The (Old) New Realism: What Holt Has to Offer for Ecological Psychology
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12124-008-9075-6
But I've only skimmed them too quickly. It seems to my impoverished
understa
nesday, February 08, 2017 8:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why depth/thickness matters
The opening of this article would be a complete counter position for an
Ecological Psychologist:
"Students of perception often claim that perception,
The opening of this article would be a complete counter position for an
Ecological Psychologist:
"Students of perception often claim that perception, in general,
estimates the truth. They argue that creatures whose perceptions are more
true are also, thereby, more fit. Therefore, due to natural
Natural selection and veridical perceptions
Justin T. Mark, Brian B. Marion, Donald D. Hoffman
http://cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/PerceptualEvolution.pdf
> For the weak type, X ⊄ W in general, and g is a homomorphism. Perception need
> not faithfully mirror any subset of reality, but relationsh
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