Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
new-reasoning-ai-models-are-here-o1-preview-and-o1-mini/ [2] https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/05/heres-whats-really-going-on-inside-an-llms-neural-network/ From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2024 2:37 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatb

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread steve smith
ng the evidence for the axioms they adopt?  That is, by adopting the scientific methods.  Can we expect LLMs to have “other ways of knowing”?   If not, why not? *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West *Sent:* Sunday, September 15, 2024 8:40 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re:

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2024 8:40 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots Roger, I love this post. Although NOT what you intended, I find it a scathing (if a bit indirect) indictment of scientism (the privileging of the

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread steve smith
On 9/15/24 9:40 AM, Prof David West wrote: Roger, I love this post. Although NOT what you intended, I find it a scathing (if a bit indirect) indictment of scientism (the privileging of the scientific method) and of Pierce's truth as reasoned consensus philosophy i can only hope to meet an u

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread steve smith
regarding co-constructing and LLMs/ML/AI/Chatbots:  I'm just now reading through Harari's Nexus (brief history of information networks) and still/re-enamored of his regular use of "intersubjective reality" as what it is we co-create... and in particular all things we identify as "culture" being

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Prof David West
Roger, I love this post. Although NOT what you intended, I find it a scathing (if a bit indirect) indictment of scientism (the privileging of the scientific method) and of Pierce's truth as reasoned consensus philosophy. i can only hope to meet an unbiased LLM. Maybe as entertaining and enlight

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
The Agile versus Waterfall contrast sounds like a variation of Exploration versus Exploitation. I'm glad nuclear decommissioning isn't running Reinforcement Learning, that could lead to some very unfortunate explorations. It's odd to hear Residual Bias spoken of as something that should eventuall

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-14 Thread glen
Both Roger's and Marcus' replies mentioned the co-construction of *the* world, at least indirectly. Your concept of narrowing sounds to me like a refining, rather than a narrowing. In order to refine, you do have to narrow the scope (or decrease the focal length of your lens), but you're not na

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
high complexity might be suggestive of something more. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 12:11 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots The conversations described by glen as well as those previously posted

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-13 Thread steve smith
DaveW - I am curious about what that game of "whack a mole" might have looked like  in those early days.  I was a laggy enough adopter that I only noticed a few times when a thread or subject that I'd been indulged in by GPT (3.5) suddenly became Verboten. Gemini is *much* more prone to resp

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-13 Thread Prof David West
The conversations described by glen as well as those previously posted take place with 'sanitized' versions of chatbots: i.e., those that have, to a degree, removed racist/sexist bias, but also entire chunks of subject matter. Seemingly within seconds of the first releases of chatAIs, users were

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-13 Thread steve smith
Glen - I appreciate your speaking more directly to these thoughts/ideas than we have been here.   I have been moved by your assertions about vocal (linguistic?) grooming since you first introduced them.   I am recently finished reading Sopolsky's "Primate's Memoir" which adds another dimensio

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
s, is that there is less ego involvement as it is a more intimate setting. If those interventions are your thing. I'd prefer to leave it to the machines, myself! -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 11:12 PM To: FriAM Subject: [FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
Then there's https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/sep/09/the-big-idea-how-the-protege-effect-can-help-you-learn-almost-anything which is about the benefits of teaching anyone, but the author chose to teach a chatbot. Irene countered with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debuggin

[FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-12 Thread glen
We've talked about how some of us really enjoy simulated conversation with chatbots ... "really" is an understatement ... it looks more like a fetish or a kink to me ... too intense to be well-described as "enjoyment". Anyway, this article lands in that space, I think: Durably reducing conspir