Re: [FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread Prof David West
Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam- > boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Friday, > December 01, 2017 8:49 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Comp

Re: [FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread Steven A Smith
Holy Moly guys (and gals)! Maybe it is just my POV (in time as well as myriad other perspectives) but this three layer deep larding of subthreads feels very deep and rich and on-point for me relative to many of the discussions that erupt (autopoetically?) here in this venue. I think Nick...

Re: [FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 12/01/2017 09:03 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > People have pressed Maturana on me before and I have tried him, but something > in me has balked.  I get pissed at authors who, like the complexity folks, > seem stuck on their own words.  Perhaps you could recommend ... or even link > me to? ...

Re: [FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread Nick Thompson
plied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] causation / evolution If I remember correctly, the last time I attended "the mother church," a discussion about causation was a thread in a larger discussion about evolution. Later reflection on that discussion led me to revisit the work

Re: [FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Most definitely. We've gone round and round about the fundamental concepts in autopoiesis on this list several times, albeit mostly in the context of Robert Rosen. The two conceptions of causal closure are related in that autopoiesis is more constrained than (M,R)-systems. But the core is the

[FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread Prof David West
If I remember correctly, the last time I attended "the mother church," a discussion about causation was a thread in a larger discussion about evolution. Later reflection on that discussion led me to revisit the work of Maturana and Varela (autopoeisis and structural coupling). Later, in response t