Re: [FRIAM] emergence as stop gap

2007-06-27 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phil Henshaw wrote: > I handle the 'what' problem two ways, 1) what's useful to call emergent > for the consideration at hand (since there are way too many interlocking > emergent processes to consider them all at once anyway) and 2) what > about them

Re: [FRIAM] emergence as stop gap

2007-06-22 Thread Phil Henshaw
CTED] On Behalf Of Glen E. P. Ropella > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:04 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] emergence as stop gap > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nicholas Thompson wrote: > >

Re: [FRIAM] emergence as stop gap

2007-06-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 09:03:55AM -0700, Glen E. P. Ropella wrote: > > But, so what? Taken this way _everything_ is emergent. I even heard a > guy named Terry Bristol claim that the universe is a kind of emergent > cycle where the emergent things at the bottom emerge from the emergent > things

Re: [FRIAM] emergence as stop gap

2007-06-20 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Thompson wrote: > any phenomena that we all agreed were cases of emergence. I began to think > we might fail in this way when one of us objected to the example of > Hydrogen, Oxygen making water, which seemed to me about as emergent as > som

[FRIAM] emergence as stop gap

2007-06-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Gunther very wisely wrote: I used to throw around the word "emergence" around until I noticed that I used it there where I did not understand what was really going on, like in: "consciousness? - simple - an emergent process" Since then I have stopped using the word - it is, in fact, vacuous to cal