Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-09-12 Thread Phil Henshaw
Bill, Phil, I don't know whether the reason that people create images of the unknown is important to your work, and if it's not then what I'm saying here is moot, but I really take a strong exception to categorizing this as the product of "laziness". [PH] Oh, I'm not referring to actual lazines

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-09-11 Thread wecraven
Phil, I don't know whether the reason that people create images of the unknown is important to your work, and if it's not then what I'm saying here is moot, but I really take a strong exception to categorizing this as the product of "laziness". What Lippman noted, and what is still true today, is

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-09-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
Bill, That makes sense, although I don't know if it necessarily needs to be a negative image. There's a strong desire to create images which support one's own self-image or sense of place, so if one of the "aliens" appears to be an enemy of your enemy you would tend to assign that alien a posit

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-09-07 Thread wecraven
Phil, That makes sense, although I don't know if it necessarily needs to be a negative image. There's a strong desire to create images which support one's own self-image or sense of place, so if one of the "aliens" appears to be an enemy of your enemy you would tend to assign that alien a positive

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-09-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Bill, Do you think there's anything to my idea that part of the reason for the negative images assigned to 'aliens' from the disconnected parts of the larger world, about whom we know almost nothing, is that it's just an easier way to cover up the natural edges where the quality of information fal

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-09-06 Thread wecraven
Phil, what you describe here is exactly what Lippman describes in his book. Lippman notes that most people in the early 20th century literally have very small circles of acquaintances, and then have even smaller circles of confidantes, and that within each of these hives there's a certain consiste

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-26 Thread Roger Critchlow
On 8/25/07, phil henshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, the intense 'hive' of relationships between airline attendants at > an airline 'hub' also counts, though they appear at different levels of > the airline network organization. A lot of the appearance of things has > to do with how you

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-26 Thread wecraven
Phil, it sounds from the follow-on conversation so far like you're mainly interested in *quantifying* the relationships between "hives" and "hubs", which is well outside my purview, but if you're interested in a discussion of *why* different people fail to effectively communicate, and how that rela

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-26 Thread steve smith
>> I'm not sure how Hubs and Hives connect in your analogy. >> Airports are >> Hubs and cities are Hives... if I understand your meaning. >> > > Well, the intense 'hive' of relationships between airline attendants at > an airline 'hub' also counts, though they appear at different leve

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-25 Thread phil henshaw
> Phil > > > > Do you know anyone else working on this? > I have been "noodling" on it for some time. Nothing > published exactly. > > > > > > In thinking over what the measure of 'distance' between nodes in > > networks means (the nominally 5 degrees of separation for > people and >

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-25 Thread steve smith
Phil > > Do you know anyone else working on this? I have been "noodling" on it for some time. Nothing published exactly. > > > In thinking over what the measure of 'distance' between nodes in > networks means (the nominally 5 degrees of separation for people and > 19 degrees for web pa

Re: [FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-25 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
phil henshaw wrote: > Do you know anyone else working on this? Duncan Watts, http://cdg.columbia.edu/cdg/projects FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscri

[FRIAM] network 'hubs' v. 'hives'

2007-08-25 Thread phil henshaw
Do you know anyone else working on this? In thinking over what the measure of 'distance' between nodes in networks means (the nominally 5 degrees of separation for people and 19 degrees for web pages) it's occurred to me there are two very different sides of connection. Natural system n