Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-10 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Jochen, I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and nobody bit. Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he cannot do anything domestically because … alas …. of the constitution. He then promotes riots in the streets followed by the “reluctant” i

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
The Permian extinction is a good reference point. During these extinction disappeared almost all the species in the oceans and almost three of four terrestrial vertebrate species, almost all the insects and many species of microorganisms. Maybe Trump will be a disaster, but I am sure that he will n

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Some of Obama's foreign policy adventures did great harm to this country. One of the biggest problems with promoting impeachment is that Vice-President Pence is a much smarter, more dangerous potential leader. On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi, Jochen, > > > > I tried

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Grant Holland
Jochen, Nick, I have the same concerns. Thx for speaking up. Grant On 1/11/17 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: Hi, Jochen, I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and nobody bit. Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he cannot do anything domestica

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Carter Charbonneau
http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/ Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him? On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" wrote: > I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you > might be interested too? > > Psychologists, therapi

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
o:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carter Charbonneau Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:10 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/ Seriously, what&#x

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
son/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:04 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mental

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Carter Charbonneau
xity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? > > > > http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/ > > Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him? > > On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Carter - I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion. /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should address these questions directly. Taking a determinist consequentialist position allows us to do so more effectively. We should blame and stigmati

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread glen ☣
Awesome contribution, Steve! There's so much to both agree and argue with, I simply must indulge. I think there's more substance to the "peaceful transition of power" rhetoric than we're all giving credit, here. Yes, each new President can destroy the world. And leaving the selection of peo

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
ary 11, 2017 9:30 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? Are you actually going to make different predictions than you did before this occurred to you? On Wednesday, January 11, 2017, Nick Thompson mailto:nic

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Eric Charles
This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's nar

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Grant Holland
Steve, Thanks for your very well-considered response! Very insightful. Grant On 1/11/17 9:34 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: Carter - I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion. /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should address these questions di

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Jochen Fromm
om: Carter Charbonneau Date: 1/11/17 17:10 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/ Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him? On

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those third parties tend to do quite well

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Jochen Fromm
ational park? This would be a total Trumpistan nightmare. Better than the nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a future... -J. Original message From: Eric Charles Date: 1/11/17 22:08 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [F

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread glen ☣
But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis? I admit that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added to the rest of the stress he will be / has been under, will make him go away. But it's not likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and stig

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
What I am about to say may be controversial here. I used to work in the Psychiatry Department at the University of Pittsburgh Medical School and I spent a number of years collaborating with psychiatrists and psychoanalysts. Everyone is narcissistic to some degree and that is healthy. However, th

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Jochen Fromm
MT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis?  I admit that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added to the rest of the stress he

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Jochen Fromm
g Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who was one of the few bishops that had the courage to criticize the Nazi regime. He was a bishop in my hometown Münster near the Dutch border. In his s

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
e a total Trumpistan > nightmare. Better than the nuclear apocalypse, but who would want such a > future... > > -J. > > > ---- Original message ---- > From: Eric Charles > Date: 1/11/17 22:08 (GMT+01:00) > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
> > > Original message > From: glen ☣ > Date: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00) > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? > > > But the question is what actions are guided by re

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Owen Densmore
>From the first-mile list comes an interesting innovation effort proposed by Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-NM. For those of us in NM, it should be indicative of Trump's ability to work with others, i.e. just how bad is his narcissistic personality disorder. -- Owen -- Forwarded message -

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Grant Holland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer> -J. Original message From: glen ☣ mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> Date: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:42 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? From the first-mile list comes an interesting innovation effort proposed by Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-NM. For those of

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Nick Thompson
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Grant Holland Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:58 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ; ERIC P. CHARLES ; j...@cas-group.net Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? Eric, It looks to me like y

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Gillian Densmore
*Grant > Holland > *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:58 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com>; ERIC P. CHARLES ; j...@cas-group.net > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill? > > > > Eric, >

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
“If it becomes reasonably clear Drumpf simply isn't able to work as president because of any number of medical problems what next? Are their guidleines or rules for what to do?” Section 4 of the 25th amendment: “Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread glen ☣
So, can we infer that those who focus on a diagnosis believe that the diagnosis might convince Pence and a majority of appropriate others to declare Trump unable? As much as I disagree with Pence's apparent views, it would be fantastic if he were playing such a game. Such sneaky planning migh

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
seems foolish, even if (hopefully) Eric is right. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:05 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
> >> It can also help to document the things that are unfolding, the >> violations of human rights, the corruption, and the injustice. In Dresden >> there was a Jewish professor Victor Klemperer who covered the actions of >> the Nazi regime in his diaries and journals. He was an im

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Gary Schiltz
t; among the people. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen >>> >>> Many other priests and bishops were imprisoned by the Gestapo (the >>> secret state police) in concentration camps and died. In St. Hedwig's >>> cathe

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread John Dobson
>> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant >> Holland >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:58 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexit

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-12 Thread Grant Holland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer> -J. Original message From: glen ☣ mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> Date: 1/12/17 02:07 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-13 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
ou are crazy to look for a balmy sanctuary up here. This place is only fit for the crazy Siberians now. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Grant Holland Sent: January-12-17 6:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is the new pres

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Vladimyr writes: "Then the Americans claimed a total victory in 1945, and got the same slow social disease." Maybe it could be treated? Here they used herpes simplex virus. http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC2763614/