Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread William McAfee
I'm pretty sure the guy who just told me the world ends in 2012 and that I must repent now said his name was Linus. On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 19:20 -0600, don bailey wrote: > John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP wrote: > > Who's Linus? > > > > I think he is the kid in the Peanuts cartoon > that carries

Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread Erik Harrison
please refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokes and possibly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8uiT_rZ5k please feel free to laugh, snicker or otherwise enjoy yourself. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Simon Valiquette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP un jour

Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread don bailey
> Unless you are very Junior in the computer field (and even then), you > should have heard of Linus Benedict Torvalds. Wow, seriously? Clean off the end of your nose. D ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full

Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread don bailey
John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP wrote: > Who's Linus? > I think he is the kid in the Peanuts cartoon that carries around the blanket... D ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted an

Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread Simon Valiquette
John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP un jour écrivit: > Who's Linus? > Are you seriously asking that, or just trying to start a "flamefest" (in which case, looking like clueless is a good attempt). Unless you are very Junior in the computer field (and even then), you should have heard of Linus

Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
Who's Linus? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Simon Valiquette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > coderman un jour écrivit: > > ... hypothesis that "security researchers" are all masturbating monkey > > whores is now proven definitively. [0] > > > > """ > > Too often, so-called "security" is split into

Re: [Full-disclosure] Linus summarizes state of the "security industry" with precision and accuracy.

2008-08-18 Thread Simon Valiquette
coderman un jour écrivit: > ... hypothesis that "security researchers" are all masturbating monkey > whores is now proven definitively. [0] > > """ > Too often, so-called "security" is split into two camps: one that > believes in nondisclosure of problems by hiding knowledge until a bug > is fixed

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread William McAfee
That's my whole point. On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 13:35 -0400, Dave wrote: > Wouldn't their press release indicate that they are actually keeping the > unit intact? After all, it IS the Office of Disinformation. > > > William McAfee wrote: > > I have to say, the DoD would be crazy not to ramp up AF

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread Dave
Wouldn't their press release indicate that they are actually keeping the unit intact? After all, it IS the Office of Disinformation. William McAfee wrote: > I have to say, the DoD would be crazy not to ramp up AFCYBER. What > reason on or off Earth do they have to intentionally not protect > t

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread William McAfee
I have to say, the DoD would be crazy not to ramp up AFCYBER. What reason on or off Earth do they have to intentionally not protect themselves against attack on the network front? It's crazy to leave yourself vulnerable like that, much less not have a method of offensive strike. It's like a coun

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread coderman
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Peter Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.afcyber.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123110806 > > seems the cybercommand is not ramping up.. after demonstrating the many ways they (mis)handle information [0] it would have been amusing had they been able to contin

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:43:11 EDT, Peter Dawson said: > seems the cybercommand is not ramping up.. A few years ago, the US Dept of Defense admitted that they had an Office of Disinformation dedicated to feeding bogus info to our enemies. Of course, there was a public outrage for some reason. The

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Dawson
http://www.afcyber.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123110806 seems the cybercommand is not ramping up.. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:02 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > There's no need as n3td3v got see-throught powa + thight pants > > On Mon, 18 Aug 200

Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] Internet attacks against Georgian web s ites

2008-08-18 Thread ff0000
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There's no need as n3td3v got see-throught powa + thight pants On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:23:36 +0200 William McAfee wrote: >Would you mind elaborating on your actual evidence? All I see is >logic, >but I do not see much hard fact. I'm not agreeing, I'