The_UT went to jail because his Gonzales m8 kindly supplied irc logs of their
chats to the fed // not for coding a tool.
The jury recused the not knowing defense strategy on that base.
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jail.
According
How about not writing a hacking tool in the first place that you know
will be used to rip other people off?? Wow...what a concept...OF
COURSE he knew the code he was writing was going to be used to rip
people off.
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Yeah, I agree! While at it, factories should start producing blunt knives!
And what with the flammable deodorants? They should be made illegal!!
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Ed Carp e...@pobox.com wrote:
How about not writing a hacking tool in the first place that you know
will be used to
Oh, stop it. If you give your buddy a knife, knowing they're going to
go out and stab someone with it, you're going to jail, too. Stop
playing the fool.
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Charter:
No, I'm being damn realistic. If it weren't me providing a knife to my
buddy it would be someone else, or some kitchen drawer.
Also, why do I go to jail, not the shop owner that sold me the knife? Or the
factory owner?
It's this guy that should be liable to the crime, not the provider.
On Mon,
Ed Carp:
How about not writing a hacking tool in the first place that you know
will be used to rip other people off?? Wow...what a concept...OF
COURSE he knew the code he was writing was going to be used to rip
people off.
How about closing mailing lists like the one you posted to?
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Hello Full-Disclosure!
I want to warn you about security vulnerability in Mango.
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Advisory: Cross-Site Scripting vulnerability in Mango
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URL: http://websecurity.com.ua/3949/
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Affected product: Mango 1.4.1 and
It's important to create a thriving market for these utilities, and as part
of the internet community to foster their development.
The 'malicious code' - profit ecosystem is paramount to maintaining order
between corporate, governmental and public interests.
lol.
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at
So Mr. Watt got 2 years simply because he was aware of the ongoing crimes and
did not report them to the authorities?
No. What he did was the same thing as someone supplying burglar tools
to someone, knowing that they're going to break into someone's house,
then partying with them afterwards
Which is why this analogy is flawed.
-Travis
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Marsh Ray ma...@extendedsubset.com wrote:
If your knife is found in a dead body, you've going to have some
explaining to do.
If it turns out that you're a restaurant supply business that sells 3000
of that model
In the United States the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the
defense. Stephen was innocent until proven guilty.
I'm suggesting Stephen could have released his tool to the public so anyone
authorized to audit cardholder data environments could have used it.
What he did was the same
I can see that you have no experience with the legal system other than
what you've seen on TV (which is, to say, none at all). If you read
the IRC logs presented by the prosecution, it is pretty clear what the
motive was. Your release it to the public and you have no liability
argument will land
On 5/3/2010 12:29 PM, J Roger wrote:
If the tool was released publicly, how much more difficult would it have
been for the prosecution to prove that you knew the tool was intended to be
used for a particular illegal purpose in a specific case and you went out of
your way to help?
Perhaps
I can see that you have no experience with the legal system other than
what you've seen on TV (which is, to say, none at all).
I know this is the Internet but you don't need to be quite so rude. Perhaps
I just haven't been arrested (caught) as many times as you have.
If you read
the IRC
I once logged a guy on IRC who said he was going to packet me off the face
of the tubes.
So I sent my Mirc logs to the FBI when i lost my AOL connection.
He went to jail forever.
-Travis
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM, J Roger securityho...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see that you have no
There were excerpts in the Wired article, and there are more in the
court record - I'll see if I can find the link in my browser history.
Quite interesting reading, actually...
On 5/3/10, J Roger securityho...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see that you have no experience with the legal system other
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Which is why the creators of Wireshark has long been prosecuted and landed
in jail for 30 years
Oh wait, they weren't?
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Ed Carp e...@pobox.com wrote:
I can see that you have no experience with the legal system other than
what you've seen on TV (which is, to
There were excerpts in the Wired article, and there are more in the
court record
One has to begin wondering:
A) Why did Gonzales keep logs of incriminating evidence against himself and
his friends in the first place?
B) What motivation did Gonzales have for rolling over on Stephen like that?
On Mon, 03 May 2010 13:09:43 PDT, J Roger said:
A) Why did Gonzales keep logs of incriminating evidence against himself and
his friends in the first place?
Probably because of...
C) Another Wired article states that Gonzales was an informer paid an annual
salary by the Secret Service.
The
From what I gather, the Secret Service were paying Gonzales to inform on
people associated with the Shadow Crew and knew nothing about his TJX
endeavors at the time. It would not have been in Gonzales' interest to log
and inform on anything related to his side activities
JRoger
On Mon, May 3,
On Mon, 03 May 2010 13:59:45 PDT, J Roger said:
From what I gather, the Secret Service were paying Gonzales to inform on
people associated with the Shadow Crew and knew nothing about his TJX
endeavors at the time. It would not have been in Gonzales' interest to log
and inform on anything
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Way to over stretch what he was talking about. Stop trying to ban
shit, you're not solving any problems. Didn't we already do the
blacklist thing a hundred thousand times?
Ed Carp wrote:
Oh, stop it. If you give your buddy a knife, knowing
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