Re: [Full-disclosure] Risk measurements

2010-02-13 Thread Craig S Wright
y fix something than what they’ve had to spend in the past to get it fixed.   So it seems that you would only have 1 shot at being right, but a million shots at being wrong.  And if you ever were wrong, they would blame you.   It seems like a “one-off potential win” scenario to me.  t From: Cra

Re: [Full-disclosure] Risk measurements

2010-02-13 Thread Craig S Wright
Actually, you CAN *guarantee* software. There are program verification techniques that do test all possible paths. These do not stop implementation errors, but you can make secure software. The issue is the economics. Formal verification and repair costs from 10 to 100 times the initial cost of de

Re: [Full-disclosure] Risk measurements

2010-02-13 Thread Craig S Wright
Sorry, French yes, but Spanish no. Craig -- “Throw a coconut”?  Craig, did you throw a coconut at me?  Or did Val throw a coconut at me?   I feel a Monty Python joke coming on.  Rosa, I don’t speak Spanish, so I don’t know what that really means.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Risk measurements

2010-02-13 Thread Craig S. Wright
Exactly, As Valdis has stated, we want economic optimality. Valdis has stated this in a far easier to understand manner than I. I will publish a financial model on the blog this weekend that displays the relationships graphically. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright <http://

[Full-disclosure] Risk measurements

2010-02-12 Thread Craig S. Wright
ssing, they are valuable. If they save money, they are valuable. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense Pty Ltd ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-11 Thread Craig S Wright
; -Original Message- > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:17 PM > To: craig.wri...@information-defense.com > Cc: Thor (Hammer of God); 'full-disclosure'; pen- > t...@securityfocus.com; security-bas

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
point 1 and then we can move to point 2. Contracts require definition. You have to supply the products as a list. This is not I would think a difficult task. As stated, I have a 95% confidence interval set for this. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ...

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
l be encrypted. Your goal is to obtain a file from the BI app. You can have up to 6 months to do this. The selection of 100 software products to be modelled remains outstanding. I have this as Tim's first task. So that I can get the contract authored, he needs to make this selection. Regard

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
to weasel. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense Pty Ltd From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:t...@hammerofgod.com] Sent: Wednesday, 10 February 2010 3:59 PM To: craig.wri...@information-defense.com; valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Cc: p

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
ramework holds. Stop trying to weasel. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright <http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/> GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information <http://www.information-defense.com/> Defense Pty Ltd From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:t...@hammerofgo

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
put up. "calculating the risk of compromise?" The second part is 50 systems that are setup and run. I model risk and we see if this matches the systems as predicted. Regards ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense Pty Ltd -Original Mess

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
|=== That is, it becomes less secure over time and as users are added. " even though it has just been shown to only affect a very small section of the overall product lifecycle " Actually, you have taken one small example and extrapolated this into what you believe my

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
ation on a system is derived as with dependence and path. Please as stated, choose the 100 software applications. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense Pty Ltd -Original Message- From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:t...@hammerofgod.

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
the people who can veto a choice if the software is obscure. I shall be listing these in the contract that we will each sign as a deed. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense Pty Ltd From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:t...@hammerofgo

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
the software code" When you can get MS to give me their code this may be an issue, but it is not as yet. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright <http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/> GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information <http://www.information-defens

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
nd 45 of the 50 systems have to lie within my predicted range that I calculate and release. "Thor" has to simply guess better than I do no matter how far out he is. I will put up $10,000 Au for my side. Let's see if "Thor" has something real to offer. Regards, ... Dr. Craig

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
here are all the lives being lost through a banking app? "Surely as the most highly certified security professional in the world you don't need me, a mere working stiff, to find you a sponsor." If you want me there, yes. I work by the hour, I am not going to waste time paying for this &quo

Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking

2010-02-10 Thread Craig S. Wright
ing and the later requires better modelling. Welcome to the future, there will be math. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense Pty Ltd -Original Message- From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:t...@hammerofgod.com] Sent: Wedne