Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-16 Thread Steve Russell
--- Joe Average <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR > THIS IDEA. MAKING > > THE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP MY JOB AS A > SECURITY > > RESEARCHER. I COULD MAKE QUICKER, MORE WELL > IN

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-16 Thread Steve Russell
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR > THIS IDEA. MAKING > THE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP MY JOB AS A > SECURITY > RESEARCHER. I COULD MAKE QUICKER, MORE WELL > INFORMED CHOICES IN MY > DAY TO DAY TASKS OF PEN TESTING LEGITIMATELY. I > WILL ON

RE: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-16 Thread Steve Russell
--- Xyberpix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to agree on this one that I don't think that > moderation is the way to go. > This is a damn good list, with a load of really > intelligent people on it, who > really contribute a lot to the entire community. > Just because a few of us got outta ha

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Byron Sonne
Seriously folks, just set some spam filters. Out of the 1640 FD messages I had, I set a filter on 'n3t' and it snagged 225 messages, or in other words, 13.7% of messages got junked. Total time: 1 minute ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charte

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Ryan Sumida
Enrico Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/15/2005 10:28:43 AM: > forget it, > > we discussed this a few weeks ago, most of the guys on this list just love > to get spam and bullshit. The one side says "well yeah omg its no > full-disclosure anymore with moderation" (penguin fucker style) an

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread Troy
On 12/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how many people who actually find value in this list (which i have,since len rose set it up quite a long time ago) agree with this position?   I have found quite a bit of value in this list. Yes, there are a lot of crap posts on this list, but it has always b

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread InfoSecBOFH
Joe Average = n3td3v So yeah. Your opinion is greatly valued here. On 12/15/05, Joe Average <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 12/15/05, Bart Lansing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Mark, et al > > > > remotely possible that n3td3v or inf

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread trains
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Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Thursday, December 15, 2005 19:28:43 +0100 Enrico Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: forget it, we discussed this a few weeks ago, most of the guys on this list just love to get spam and bullshit. The one side says "well yeah omg its no full-disclosure anymore with moderation" (penguin fucke

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread (M.o.H.a.J.a.L.i)
This list is supposed to be unmoderated if u don't like this list then unsubscribe from it...and go to some moderated list...like...bugtraq just my oponion  On 12/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA.  MAKINGTHE LIST

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Enrico Kern
forget it, we discussed this a few weeks ago, most of the guys on this list just love to get spam and bullshit. The one side says "well yeah omg its no full-disclosure anymore with moderation" (penguin fucker style) and the others want the trash sorted out. Well from my point of view a moder

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Christoph Gruber
On Thursday 15 December 2005 17:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA. MAKING > THE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP MY JOB AS A SECURITY > RESEARCHER. I COULD MAKE QUICKER, MORE WELL INFORMED CHOICES IN MY > DAY TO DAY TASKS OF PEN TESTING LEGIT

RE: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Todd Towles
Joe Average wrote:  >no need,   >a) ban all gmail addresses   >b) ban nicknames (real name only)   >c) start inforcing list policy for trouble makers who attack legitimate researchers like netdev      Wow   1) n3td3v & you meet both your A and B requirement. 2) So..when are you leaving?

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Rembrandt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:39:41 + Joe Average <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA. MAKING > > THE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread Christoph Gruber
On Thursday 15 December 2005 07:20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > how many people who actually find value in this list (which i have, > since len rose set it up quite a long time ago) agree with this > position? I cannot answer a number, but I can speak for myself: I don't want a moderated list, b'ca

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Joe Average
On 12/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA.  MAKINGTHE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP MY JOB AS A SECURITY RESEARCHER.  I COULD MAKE QUICKER, MORE WELL INFORMED CHOICES IN MYDAY TO DAY TASKS OF PEN TESTING LEGITIMATELY.  I

Re: [Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread Rembrandt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:16:46 -0800 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA. MAKING > THE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP MY JOB AS A SECURITY > RESEARCHER. I COULD MAKE QUICKER, MORE WELL INFORMED C

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread Joe Average
On 12/15/05, Bart Lansing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Mark, et alremotely possible that n3td3v or infosecBOFH (who seems to be attempting to validate his choice of handles by being anunmitigated ass whenever possible) might actually have somethingconstruc

[Full-disclosure] A CALL FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE TO BECOME A MODERATED LIST

2005-12-15 Thread uber
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA. MAKING THE LIST MODERATED WOULD REALLY HELP MY JOB AS A SECURITY RESEARCHER. I COULD MAKE QUICKER, MORE WELL INFORMED CHOICES IN MY DAY TO DAY TASKS OF PEN TESTING LEGITIMATELY. I WILL ONLY GET THE GOOD STUFF AND NONE OF THIS PISSIN

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread InfoSecBOFH
Wow, we have another n3td3v here. Editing your emails? Sorry, not guilty. Replying to you on list so everyone can see you continue to stir the pot, guilty. My momma did not teach my any manners but I taught your momma that thing she does with her tongue. On 12/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread Bart Lansing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark, et al Given the noise ratio (esp. lately, thanks to a couple of misanthropes with nothing vaild to say) I would agree that some moderation of the list would be in order, if there was a way to find a verifiably non-biased and tolerant inidivdual

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread name pipe
ya but those half subscribers are kids who do nothing except pissing at each other in the list. When the list was started there werent such number of kids pissing in the list. But now time is changed and lots of lamers are there. Its time that this list shud be moderated.On 12/15/05, InfoSecBOFH <[

Re: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-15 Thread InfoSecBOFH
Hey cry baby, the only reason this list exists and has half the subscribers it has is because of the lack of moderation. If this list was moderated it would be nothing more than Bugtraq On 12/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it seems to me that without a moderator (since ther

[Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a moderated list

2005-12-14 Thread mis
it seems to me that without a moderator (since there is the apparent absence of people who are moderate, or even civilized), this list will continue its degeneration into a never-ending pissing contest. (some people don't seem to think that the social compact one accepts when joining a list applie