Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

Gee Echelon is that not OLD news like news that is over 10 years old??? I remember hearing about echelon at the very least 10-11 years ago. -- Leif Ericksen On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 20:46 +1100, Ivan . wrote: > so what? It doesn't have to make specific ascertains. The fact of the > matter is that

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

The assertions in the article and some of the comments in this thread sure look racist and xenophobic to me. Why is it more risky that a product is produced in China than if its made in Seattle, WA; Arlington, VA; Mexico City; London; or Berlin? The Chinese may have the skill and motivation to do t

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

so what? It doesn't have to make specific ascertains. The fact of the matter is that government sponsored corporate/industrial espionage happens all the time. Echelon spy network revealed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/503224.stm Echelon: Government spying breeds business distrust http://news.z

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

COULD, this article makes no specific claims. the chinese government COULD have a audio recording device hidden inside your asshole at this very moment. On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:09:53AM +1100, Ivan . wrote: > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html >

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

OK, only if hidden backdoors are also part of their function specs... I have friends in a router manufacturer. Besides basic functionalities that a router must have, they usually have to deal with some ridiculous requirements from customers. Mmmm, I also start to suspect the customers *want* their

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:38:27 +0800, Jerome Jar said: >> Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. >> >> Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the >> routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any >> time left for them to plant

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:38:27 +0800, Jerome Jar said: > Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. > > Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the > routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any > time left for them to plant well

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

Come on, where are the evidences? Sounds pretty much like racialism. Usually the engineers are having a hard time on even getting the routers and switches functional for mass market; there won't be any time left for them to plant well hidden backdoors. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Ivan . <[EMA

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Quoting PC Pro article: "SecureTest believes spyware could be easily built into Asian-manufactured devices such as switches and routers, providing a simple backdoor for companies or governments in the Far East to listen in on communications." It seems

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. I agree, that the threat does not stop at firmware for routers and switches. Even with open source, or dare i type, even more so with open source, the threat for maliciously modified code exists. This is not a new threat, per se, however,

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

Operation infrastrcuture http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/0008.xml On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Times Enemy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > It is not too far fetched of an idea. Google yielded the following > fairly quic

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I dont think they have http://www.hqlaptops.com/hard-drives/infected-seagate-hard-drives http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2007/11/11/2003387202 On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM, quispiam lepidus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why stop at routers & switches? You could own far more devic

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

Why stop at routers & switches? You could own far more devices by backdooring BIOS', HDD's, etc, all of which are often produced in "Far East countries". On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Times Enemy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greets. > > It d

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

there is also the case of fake Cisco routers etc doing the rounds. Whether these devices are back doored is anyones guess http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,100085,39284348,00.htm http://www.voipforyourbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=115&Itemid=1 On Thu, Mar 6, 2

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greets. It does not matter so much if there is no hard proof about the router firmware containing backdoors set in place by Chinese manufacturers. ~From a security perspective, it is a potential threat which should be addressed, especially for western

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

>>Next we'll be seeing "Japanese tactical nukes "Hidden in Toyota trunks" And who knows what the French are putting in that cheese. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blogs.pcmag.com

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Typical media dramatization. No where in the article does it state that backdoors HAVE been found in router firmwares. Next we'll be seeing "Japanese tactical nukes "Hidden in Toyota trunks" > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Ivan . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/n

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:51 PM, coderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Ivan . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html > > they also pwned my toothpaste and gave me diarrhea :( :( :( > > H A C

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ivan . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wouldn't be the first time that National intelligence agencies have > comprised IT gear true; i just meant that an elaborate back door isn't even necessary when the front door lock can be bumped open (titan rain :) the athens af

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

wouldn't be the first time that National intelligence agencies have comprised IT gear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, coderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Ivan . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news

Re: [Full-disclosure] Chinese backdoors "hidden in router firmware"

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Ivan . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/173883/chinese-backdoors-hidden-in-router-firmware.html they also pwned my toothpaste and gave me diarrhea :( :( :( H A C K E D B Y C H I N E S E, LOLOLOLOLOL titan rain is dark comedy at its finest!

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