RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-08 Thread Nicob
Le vendredi 05 août 2005 à 22:50 +0200, Michal Zalewski a écrit : > What I proposed (and I'm sure I'm not innovative here) went along the > lines of hooking up and intercepting the mouse click button, and then, > at the exact moment of mouse click, capturing the position of the > mouse pointer, an

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-08 Thread Bart Lansing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:40:40 -0700 root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Aditya Deshmukh wrote: > >>The only most secure protection is a one time password with a >challenge / >>response scheme. Most of the banks in europe already do this. >> >>They give o

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread root
Aditya Deshmukh wrote: The only most secure protection is a one time password with a challenge / response scheme. Most of the banks in europe already do this. They give out a calculator like device to the customers and when u want to login you are presented with a challenge that you punch into

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Aditya Deshmukh
The only most secure protection is a one time password with a challenge / response scheme. Most of the banks in europe already do this. They give out a calculator like device to the customers and when u want to login you are presented with a challenge that you punch into you device which spits a r

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Aditya Deshmukh
> > proximity of mouse cursor on every mouse click? It's not that > > resource consuming, and easy to arrange. > > You'd need to squeeze in some OCR code as well, or figure it out > manually (or maybe use the same techniques as for getting around > "captchas"). Another simple method capture the s

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread fractalg
Hi, >As per my knowledge, there are no such keyloggers or spywares which uses any technique to defeat virtual keyboards. >However, the technique that I am going to discuss here can be used by malicious program writers to write next generation >viruses / worms to defeat such virtual keyboard prot

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Debasis Mohanty
osure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection Peter Ferrie wrote: > > > > >>>Recently I discovered a method to defeat the much hyped Citi-Bank >>>Virtual Keyboard Protection which the bank claimed that it defends >>

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread root
Peter Ferrie wrote: Recently I discovered a method to defeat the much hyped Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection which the bank claimed that it defends the customers against malicious programs like keyloggers, Trojans and spywares etc. Wouldn't that be trivial to snoop on simply b

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Debasis Mohanty
- From: Michal Zalewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:21 AM To: Debasis Mohanty Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Debasis Mohanty wrote: > Read the descri

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Jeremy Bishop wrote: > You'd need to squeeze in some OCR code as well, or figure it out > manually (or maybe use the same techniques as for getting around > "captchas"). Well, if carders can be bothered to review hours of recorded material from ATM-mounted cameras to grab PINs

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Debasis Mohanty wrote: > Read the description section again, perhaps you have missed out the > following - > . The Virtual Keyboard is dynamic > . The sequence in which the numbers appears will change every time, > the page is refreshed > > Hence, desiging something the

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Jeremy Bishop
On Friday 05 August 2005 13:10, Michal Zalewski wrote: > Wouldn't that be trivial to snoop on simply by making a trojan / > spyware application that records a section of screen in the immediate > proximity of mouse cursor on every mouse click? It's not that > resource consuming, and easy to arrange

RE: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Debasis Mohanty
- DM - -Original Message- From: Michal Zalewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:40 AM To: Debasis Mohanty Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Debasis Mohanty wro

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Peter Ferrie
>> Recently I discovered a method to defeat the much hyped Citi-Bank >> Virtual Keyboard Protection which the bank claimed that it defends the >> customers against malicious programs like keyloggers, Trojans and >> spywares etc. > >Wouldn't that be trivial to snoop on simply by making a trojan

Re: [Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Michal Zalewski
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Debasis Mohanty wrote: > Recently I discovered a method to defeat the much hyped Citi-Bank > Virtual Keyboard Protection which the bank claimed that it defends the > customers against malicious programs like keyloggers, Trojans and > spywares etc. Wouldn't that be trivial to s

[Full-disclosure] Defeating Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection

2005-08-05 Thread Debasis Mohanty
Recently I discovered a method to defeat the much hyped Citi-Bank Virtual Keyboard Protection which the bank claimed that it defends the customers against malicious programs like keyloggers, Trojans and spywares etc. Find the details below - Description: Early this year, Citi-Bank introduced th