Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-07 Thread James Matthews
OT i really like the name you put up. Gmail asked me if i wanted to " Invite some guy posting to full disclosure to chat" On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Some Guy Posting To Full Disclosure < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's futile trying to use the law to change things. > It will simply force p

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-06 Thread Ureleet
no. _u_ are angry. no 1 else. no 1 else gives a shit. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:24 PM, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > who cares what it means, people are angry, there better be a > government task / strike force being setup for when these offers come > infront of everyone. we can't be compl

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-04 Thread Some Guy Posting To Full Disclosure
It's futile trying to use the law to change things. It will simply force people into the shadows. Which today involves using tor and some Russian web money account. I read a slogan from before my time, in a book: "If source is outlawed outlaws will have source" - same applies to zero days. Anyway

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-04 Thread Anders Klixbull
Free 0day for all!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Balmer Sent: 3. november 2008 19:50 To: n3td3v Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed? * n3td3v wrote

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:19:24 EST, vulcanius said: > Actually in the case of n3td3v I believe his paranoia is that everyone > _except_ the government is out to get him. Black hats, white hats, 83 year > old grandmothers, the lot of 'em. Remember now, according to himself he IS a > researcher explor

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread vulcanius
Actually in the case of n3td3v I believe his paranoia is that everyone _except_ the government is out to get him. Black hats, white hats, 83 year old grandmothers, the lot of 'em. Remember now, according to himself he IS a researcher exploring the seedy underbelly of the interwebs and it's inhabita

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:00:30 EST, vulcanius said: > Because n3td3v is paranoid and believes the government should run just about > everything. No, paranoid means you think the government already does run just about everything, whether or not you think it should. :) pgpuQqHGvSLfF.pgp Description

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread vulcanius
" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:00 AM > > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be > outlawed? > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Marc Balmer wrote: >

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread Email Cash
___ > From: "n3td3v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:00 AM > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed? > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ask' and 'force'. From: "n3td3v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:00 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed? On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 a

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread n3td3v
who cares what it means, people are angry, there better be a government task / strike force being setup for when these offers come infront of everyone. we can't be complacent about the dangers of these exploits getting bought by the bad guys. moreover, they shouldn't be allowed to hold people to ra

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread Ureleet
they wont be, and they cant be outlawed. fight a fight worth fighting. cause this is 1 u cant. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM > Subject: 0day auctio

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread Sandy Vagina
And by "lobbying", you mean continuing to whine on the full-disclosure list? Sandy On 11/3/08, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'll be lobbying soon to outlaw 0day auctions, this means the banning > of 0day sales on the internet. i've noticed an increased level in 0day > sales lately on maili

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread Marc Balmer
* n3td3v wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM > Subject: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed? > To: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > i'll be lobbying soon to outlaw 0day auctions, this means the banning > of 0da

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread n3td3v
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Marc Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * n3td3v wrote: >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM >> Subject: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed? >> To: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>

[Full-disclosure] Fwd: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed?

2008-11-03 Thread n3td3v
-- Forwarded message -- From: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM Subject: 0day auctions, should they be outlawed? To: n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i'll be lobbying soon to outlaw 0day auctions, this means the banning of 0day sales on the internet. i've noti