Ok, so let them make it mandatory.
Everyone will just run Fake AV.
Business as usual.
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On 23 Jun 2010 at 19:23, Jan Schejbal wrote:
> It would be interesting to compare the damage actually avoided by virus
> scanners to the damages and costs they cause (including false-positives
> wiping out system files, the hassle with updates/deployment and the cost
> of the products).
The mathe
I wonder if someone writes down all that pseudo-intellectual philosophical
bullshit that is so carefully crafted by FD members (myself included)?
Maybe I should:
???
Profit
-Travis
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Walter van Holst <
walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On Thu, June 24, 2010 11:0
On Thu, June 24, 2010 11:08, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>> The answer to that kind of question is quite often related to the
>> industry average. For example no more failures than one standard
>> deviation below the industry average.
>
> Ahh.. but that doesn't really help either. Consider tha
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:47:01 +0200, Walter van Holst said:
> The answer to that kind of question is quite often related to the
> industry average. For example no more failures than one standard
> deviation below the industry average.
Ahh.. but that doesn't really help either. Consider that not a
On Thu, June 24, 2010 09:42, Cor Rosielle wrote:
> ...snip...
>> The product that fail miserably, throughout the year(s?) should be
>> declared "unfit for purpose" ...like an expired food which is
>> harmful for health.
>
> Basically it is an interesting thought. I see a challenge though. Is 3
> From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-
> disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jan Schejbal
> Sent: woensdag 23 juni 2010 19:24
> To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet
>
...snip...
> The product that fail miserably, throughout the year(s?) should be
> declared "unfit for purpose" ...like an expired food which is
> harmful for health.
Basically it is an interesting thought. I see a challenge though. Is 3
failures per year miserable? Or should we raise the limit
Am 22.06.2010 17:16, schrieb Paul Schmehl:
> Yes, you should use antivirus software if you're running windows
Nope. For regular users clicking every link and using firefox and office
and nothing else, maybe. But for somewhat experienced people with a
large toolset on the machine: NO! Approximately
t; for their
>> > own computer, but that doesn't mean that anti virus is the one and
>> only
>> > solution. But if you think anti virus is the silver bullet to make
>> this
>> > world saver, then dream your dreams and I'll dream mine.
>> >
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:41 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:55:25 +1000, "Ivan ." said:
> > Security is as easy as that..
> >
> >
> http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connection/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490
>
> OK. I'll bite.
>
> 1) What antivirus are th
--On Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:55:25 +1000 "Ivan ." wrote:
> Security is as easy as that..
>
> http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connecti
> on/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490
>
I don't have a problem with cutting off connections for infected machines. In
fac
If the ISP's are being expected to do the policing (which a less than
thorough read of the paper indicates), who's shelling out for all the
NAC kit? The ISP? On top of all the kit required to log all users
Internet activities for an as yet undetermined period of time? On top
of the kit to implement
How do you know you have never gotten anything on your system if you don't
have an anti-anything ?
Main aim of current threats is to hide any activity.
2010/6/22 William Warren
> I don't run anti-anything on my systems and haven't in over 7 years..I
> have never gotten anything on my systems. i
I would presume that that would happen after you got infected and started
spreading malware.
Scaring people from the start ought to bring more consciousness.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:55:25 +1000, "Ivan ." said:
> > Security is as easy as that..
> >
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:55:25 +1000, "Ivan ." said:
> Security is as easy as that..
>
> http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connection/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490
OK. I'll bite.
1) What antivirus are they going to force me to install on my Fedora laptop?
2)
I don't run anti-anything on my systems and haven't in over 7 years..I
have never gotten anything on my systems. it's pretty easy to do..it's
mostly behavior driven to keep yourself form getting malware. Also I
can't find it now but there was a research paper that showed the a/v
software coul
om Grace
> Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 11:29
> To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet
> connection
>
> What would you advise a typical home user do to stay virus/trojan/other
> shit free ? Working on the assu
Exactly. Or a jail cell.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Dimitry Andric wrote:
> On 2010-06-22 11:28, Tom Grace wrote:
> > What would you advise a typical home user do to stay virus/trojan/other
> > shit free ? Working on the assumption that they can't tell the
> > difference (and really, s
On 2010-06-22 11:28, Tom Grace wrote:
> What would you advise a typical home user do to stay virus/trojan/other
> shit free ? Working on the assumption that they can't tell the
> difference (and really, shouldn't have to) between dangerous and safe
> files.
Give them an iPhone/iPad instead? ;)
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I agree in principal, security does start with the user.
However, computers and connected computing devices with the advent of
locked down systems and cartoon like user interfaces, have become consumer
devices.
These devices no longer require any kn
ciberras
> Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 10:56
> To: Tom Grace
> Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet
> connection
>
> I completely agree with Tom. A good fraction of all vulns out there rely on
> the user taking the
osure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Christian
Sciberras
Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 10:56
To: Tom Grace
Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet
connection
I completely agree with T
I completely agree with Tom. A good fraction of all vulns out there rely on
the user taking the wrong action, and it's way common (just face the truth).
How many people install cracked OSes? I was once incredulous that a person
willingly installed a virus because he claimed it was harmless (while
In a way having a requirement that end-users take some responsibility
for their own computer is a good thing.
Similar to prosecuting people for fraud if they fall for one of the cash
scams.
On 06/22/2010 05:37 AM, Ivan . wrote:
> yep, your tax $$$ at work
>
> Don't forget there Internet filt
They had a committee working on this for a year and that's the best they
could come up with? HAHAHAHA.
Belinda Neal - With idiots like you and your colleagues tackling this issue,
tax payers deserve to burn you at the stake. BTW... are you really a du0d?
--
ciao
JT
_
yep, your tax $$$ at work
Don't forget there Internet filter as well.. With these rocket
scientist running the show, what's there to worry about
http://blogs.news.com.au/techblog/index.php/news/comments/finally_theres_protection_against_spams_and_scams
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jubei
Security is as easy as that..
http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connection/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490
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