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PM To: Thor (Hammer of God) Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk<mailto:full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran On 6/10/12 5:09 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: OK, I’ll bite this one time. I assert you are bl

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Laurelai wrote: > ... really i ask a > simple question on how to avoid state sponsored malware that runs > exclusively on windows platforms and not a single one of you said > anything about using an alternate OS, some of you insisted in fact we > should just lie down and take it. You aren't securi

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote: > All this talk about a lot of arguments to syscalls reminded me of > `ls`and that's just the beginning.. 'ls' is a user program, not a system call; system calls are entry points into the operating system itself: basically little pas

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 02:17:15 +0200, Christian Sciberras said: > All this talk about a lot of arguments to syscalls reminded me of > `ls`and that's just the beginning.. "The real reason GNU ls is 8-bit-clean is so that they can start using ISO-8859-1 option characters." - Christopher

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All this talk about a lot of arguments to syscalls reminded me of `ls`and that's just the beginning.. Let's be honest, no matter the amount of "standardization" (or plain "planning") you put in, there's always room for complications. In what I've seen, the only exception here, is a dozen or so

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: >> I am a bit surprised by the direction of this conversation and I have >> been waiting for someone to say the obvious in regards to protecting >> yourself from .gov malware, it really is quite simple if you think >> about it. Stuxnet, duqu

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Laurelai wrote: > I am a bit surprised by the direction of this conversation and I have been > waiting for someone to say the obvious in regards to protecting yourself > from .gov malware, it really is quite simple if you think about it. Stuxnet, > duqu, flame, ect

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:06:37 -0400 Laurelai wrote: > I am a bit surprised by the direction of this conversation and I have > been waiting for someone to say the obvious in regards to protecting > yourself from .gov malware, it really is quite simpl

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) Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran   On 6/10/12 5:09 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: OK, I’ll bite

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:29:23 -0700 coderman wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:22 PM, coderman wrote: > > ... > > we can split hairs on the origin and naming of a given capability, > > but these are CALEA (aka "lawful intercept") functions used > > unlawfully. > > more fun reading, if you're cu

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What she fails to realize is the reason why Stuxnet was written to run on Windows is because the Siemens PLC software interface runs on Windows. The operating system is merely a means to the end. The motivation behind the action is the real issue. Ponder the Riddle of Steel upon the Tree of Woe.

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:06:37 -0400, Laurelai said: > I am a bit surprised by the direction of this conversation and I have > been waiting for someone to say the obvious in regards to protecting > yourself from .gov malware, it really is quite simple if you think about > it. Stuxnet, duqu, flame, e

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Laurelai wrote: > ... in regards to protecting yourself > from .gov malware, it really is quite simple... all only run on windows > platforms. this is wrong in fact, and understanding. factually other state driven malware has targeted OSX, iOS, Android, many oth

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grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran   On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of

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Behalf Of *Laurelai > *Sent:* Sunday, June 10, 2012 2:00 PM > *To:* full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks > Against Iran > > ** ** > > On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > >

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Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran   On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: And not capitalizing "Army" when you claim to have spent 10 years of your life in service does precisely the

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:22 PM, coderman wrote: > ... > we can split hairs on the origin and naming of a given capability, but > these are CALEA (aka "lawful intercept") functions used unlawfully. more fun reading, if you're curious: "Exploiting Lawful Intercept to Wiretap the Internet" http://

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On 6/10/12 5:22 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > > Then why did you work for them? (or so you claim) > >> On Jun 10, 2012 2:01 PM, "Laurelai" > > wrote: >> >> On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: >> > >> > And not capitalizing "Army" when you claim to h... >> >> Exce

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Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran   On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: And not capitalizing "Army" when you claim to have spent 10 years of your life in service does precisely the

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Then why did you work for them? (or so you claim) On Jun 10, 2012 2:01 PM, "Laurelai" wrote: On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > And not capitalizing "Army" when you claim to h... Except i don't like the government. ___ Full-Disclosur

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > ... > It is not clear to me that these were CALEA components, as opposed to > some similar law in Greece or the UK (where Vodaphone is based). > ... is it clear that the Greek equipment was > built to US standard i.e. that all CALEA requir

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:00:19 -0400, Laurelai said: > >>> I dont listen to either. And sorry to burst your bubble but I > >>> did serve 10 years in the army. > Except i don't like the government. The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. :) pgpaZxMuz7e2q.pgp Description: PGP signa

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On 6/10/12 11:29 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:58:31 +0300, Georgi Guninski said: >> What about legal windows backdoors (NSA key)? > It was never confirmed whether the infamous NSAKEY was an actual backdoor, or > just a hilariously poorly named variable. In any case,

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:25:30 -0700 coderman wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Benjamin Kreuter > wrote: > > ... > >> (CALEA taps are *widely* exploited by the bad guys. > > > > Do you have a good citation for this? > > the most infamous case is the athens affair: > http://spectrum.iee

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On 6/10/12 12:52 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > And not capitalizing "Army" when you claim to have spent 10 years of > your life in service does precisely the same thing. > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:31 AM, "Laurelai" > wrote: > >> >>> I dont listen to eithe

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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > ... >> (CALEA taps are *widely* exploited by the bad guys. > > Do you have a good citation for this? the most infamous case is the athens affair: http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-athens-affair "While this is the first majo

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And not capitalizing "Army" when you claim to have spent 10 years of your life in service does precisely the same thing. On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:31 AM, "Laurelai" mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> wrote: I dont listen to either. And sorry to burst your bubble but I did serve 10 years in the army.

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On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:08:24 -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > (CALEA taps are *widely* exploited by the bad guys. Do you have a good citation for this? I do not doubt that it is the case, but it would be nice to point to a few statistics or even anecdotes about it. -- Ben -- Benjamin

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:58:31 +0300, Georgi Guninski said: > What about legal windows backdoors (NSA key)? It was never confirmed whether the infamous NSAKEY was an actual backdoor, or just a hilariously poorly named variable. In any case, even if it was a backdoor, it's certainly not the same "le

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On 6/10/12 8:22 AM, doc mombasa wrote: > maybe its because i dont take you seriously > and who cares what gender you are > go suck a lemon > > 2012/6/10 Laurelai mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> > > On 6/10/12 6:23 AM, doc mombasa wrote: >> sure you did >> and i ride a popcicle motorcycle

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On 6/9/12 5:10 PM, Mark Shuler wrote: > > Nudging everyone back to the alleged Obama tactics.I'm sure > everyone has an idea for the big push for "cyber warriors" in the > united states. > > By the arguments I'm hearing and milling through some of the other > infosec posts. Who do you believe

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On 6/10/12 6:23 AM, doc mombasa wrote: > sure you did > and i ride a popcicle motorcycle from my palace to the beach every day :) > > 2012/6/10 Laurelai mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> > > On 6/10/12 6:14 AM, doc mombasa wrote: >> do you by any chance listen to a lot a lot of nirvana and lin

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Nudging everyone back to the alleged Obama tactics.I'm sure everyone has an idea for the big push for "cyber warriors" in the united states. By the arguments I'm hearing and milling through some of the other infosec posts. Who do you believe have more capability of cyber terror? NSA? Private

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On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 03:08:24PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > The problem with backdoors is they can be abused. What do you do > if you give the NSA a shell, the Bad Guys abuse it, and it ends up with > the US in a non-primary position of power? > > (CALEA taps are *widely* exploited

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > ... > What solution? [to countries using cyberwar] And who exactly is going to > “find” it? AV industry vows to become better detectors, find and reverse; you get million dollar vuln R&D for free! incident response, analyze and sell

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On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM, wrote: > ... I'm *still* waiting for "your > lawyers" to serve me papers for Neal Krawetz's 2006 Black Hat presentation cmon' valdis, it's "Dr. Neak Krawetz, PhD." ... i thought we've been through this?? ___ Full-Dis

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On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:11:55 +0200, phocean said: > Oh n !!! Sounds scary. > Le 9 juin 2012 =E0 14:20, andrew.wallace ecrit : > > You've just libeled yourself. What's scary is Andrew's lack of understanding of the law. It's pretty hard to libel yourself. In fact, I think Andrew is one o

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Funny, I think I meant to add any system I own. I am all about DTRT and support my government in any which way needed but creating shells on systems I don't own is not my business. On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 04:07:39PM +0300, John Doe wrote: > By any chance, Jason Hellenthal, do you work for the NOV

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By any chance, Jason Hellenthal, do you work for the NOVO medical group? Or is it just NOVO1? I'm asking, because you saying what you say there below, indicates that you may pose a security problem for some health related medical information on people that should be of no interest to NSA or nation

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I'm sure the Nazis were thinking alike. The jews kept whining, but then again, they were the arab terrorists of the time.. And now we have americans wondering why the arabs won't go into the ovens without whining. More to the topic, I'd hope USA would LEAVE THE CIVILIANS OUT OF THEIR FUCKING WARS,

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I'm glad you disclosed this. You are a security risk. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > > Shit, Ill give the NSA a shell on any system... if it means achieving a > greater goal. Whether its wrong or not... let the bots decide who is the > better player as long as it brings

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:56:23 -0400, Jason Hellenthal said: > Shit, Ill give the NSA a shell on any system... if it means achieving a > greater goal. Whether its wrong or not... let the bots decide who is the > better player as long as it brings the US into a primary position of > power. The proble

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Aw, what's wrong Georgie? Jealous that you can't get out of your "has been" status? Not that your self-proclaimed "street cred" was that much to begin with. :) shouldn't you be working on finding more articles to post so you can write "M$" and "windoze" like the other posers and substantiate y

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.net> > To: Michael Hallgren > Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks > Against Iran > > Well, it is like usual when netdev reappear. > He reactivates all

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There are so many flaws about your argument, I don't even know where to start. Then again, most arguments were pointless, so instead, I'll iterate my previous one; all this sensationalism about the US is just bullshit. Other countries are doing this, and kids at home even help out. Heck, I'm more c

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What's the real problem Laurelai? If the US abruptly vanished, there will be another country taking its place as the global player. The thing is, I can't imagine another country doing a better job than the USnot because the US is a walking saint, but because the rest of them are no better. Ba

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Shit, Ill give the NSA a shell on any system... if it means achieving a greater goal. Whether its wrong or not... let the bots decide who is the better player as long as it brings the US into a primary position of power. On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 11:22:32PM -0400, Laurelai wrote: > On 6/6/12 2:23 P

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tance, it's not the case... > > Cheers > > mh > -Message d'origine- > De:Григорий Братислава > Envoyé: 08/06/2012, 20:14 > A: Laurelai > Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Objet:Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Aga

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On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 05:03:02PM +, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > Man does things for two reasons: to get laid, or to get paid. This completely explains why you are on this list. Are you a paid poster or just advertising your leaflet book? ___

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On 6/8/12 9:56 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > Shit, Ill give the NSA a shell on any system... if it means achieving a > greater goal. Whether its wrong or not... let the bots decide who is the > better player as long as it brings the US into a primary position of > power. > > On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at

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Ohh... :) -Message d'origine- De:Григорий Братислава Envoyé: 08/06/2012, 19:35 A: Thor (Hammer of God) Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Objet:Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran "In California you can always find a party, in Sov

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Laurelai wrote: > And you would be wrong. I find right term for you Wesley. Destructive Narcissist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_leadership#Impact_of_healthy_v._destructive_narcissistic_managers ___ Full-Disc

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On 6/8/12 3:54 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Laurelai wrote: >> On 6/8/12 3:46 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Laurelai wrote: Thank you, lets now discuss how infosec experts are going to deal with the threat of state sponsored cyberwarf

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Laurelai wrote: > On 6/8/12 3:46 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Laurelai wrote: >>> Thank you, lets now discuss how infosec experts are going to deal with >>> the threat of state sponsored cyberwarfare, and "bend over and take it" >>> is no

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Laurelai, you must be new in here. Welcome Laurelai to full-disclosure. Now, log out and take a nap. MemoryVandal On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Laurelai wrote: > On 6/8/12 2:08 PM, Григорий Братислава wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Laurelai wrote: >> >>> And that brings us back to

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On 6/8/12 3:46 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Laurelai wrote: >> Thank you, lets now discuss how infosec experts are going to deal with >> the threat of state sponsored cyberwarfare, and "bend over and take it" >> is not really a good answer. > Sure it is, it's just not the

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Laurelai wrote: > Thank you, lets now discuss how infosec experts are going to deal with > the threat of state sponsored cyberwarfare, and "bend over and take it" > is not really a good answer. Sure it is, it's just not the answer you want. http://www.theonion.com

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:04:11 -0400, Laurelai said: > I think the real question we should all think on is what are we going to > do about this kind of thing? > > Because the way I see it, the infosec industry is part of this problem > until it finds a way to be a part of the solution, if you all eve

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ng BlackBerry® from Orange > > -Original Message- > From: Bzzz > Sender: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:03:51 > To: > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks > Against Iran > > On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 1

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Laurelai wrote: > I don't see how Iran developing nuclear power is a threat, I'm sorry to > me this just seems like more fear mongering. And is this how you fail. There is no problem is in developing nuclear POWER there is problem when you is weaponize it. You nee

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osure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:03:51 To: Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:36:07 -0400 Laurelai wrote: > Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I > damn well earned

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On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:36:07 -0400 Laurelai wrote: > Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I > damn well earned my right to complain about how broken the system > is, myself and the soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could > all have a free country and that yes I co

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On 6/8/12 3:12 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote: >> Perhaps the US Government would gain better results by mass protests and >> chanting peace songs. >> >> Or perhaps it just doesn't work this way. >> >> They shouldn't be blamed, everyone knows fight

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote: > Perhaps the US Government would gain better results by mass protests and > chanting peace songs. > > Or perhaps it just doesn't work this way. > > They shouldn't be blamed, everyone knows fighting fire with fire is very > effective, just

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On 6/8/12 3:09 PM, Григорий Братислава wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Laurelai wrote: > >> You mean where i publicly called out the people selling zero days to the >> US gov? > No I is meant where you allow is your narcissism is permeate in conversation. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Laurelai wrote: > You mean where i publicly called out the people selling zero days to the > US gov? No I is meant where you allow is your narcissism is permeate in conversation. -- `Wherever I is go - there am I routed` ___

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On 6/8/12 2:56 PM, Григорий Братислава wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Laurelai wrote: >> *adds names to a list of people likely selling zero days* > Is not surprise me. Is you need know, national security trumps FBI CIS > http://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/improving-our-confidential-human

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Laurelai wrote: > *adds names to a list of people likely selling zero days* Is not surprise me. Is you need know, national security trumps FBI CIS http://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/improving-our-confidential-human-source-program every times. You could not is even t

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On 6/8/12 2:41 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote: > Perhaps the US Government would gain better results by mass protests > and chanting peace songs. > > Or perhaps it just doesn't work this way. > > They shouldn't be blamed, everyone knows fighting fire with fire is > very effective, just as everyone >

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote: > Perhaps the US Government would gain better results by mass protests and > chanting peace songs. > > Or perhaps it just doesn't work this way. > Good plan! Bring is hot cocoa and marshmallows. Then we is sing: http://www.youtube.com/wat

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Laurelai wrote > There you have it folks, the best argument the so called experts could > come up with as to why we shouldn't do anything about this is name > calling and half baked attempts at derailing the conversation and more > spelling errors than a 5th grader

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On 6/8/12 2:08 PM, Григорий Братислава wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Laurelai wrote: > >> And that brings us back to what are we going to do about the US Gov laying >> down in the same mud as the bad guys > I is detect narcissism Wesley. "what are we" is you ask. Define we. Is > you has

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On 6/8/12 1:51 PM, Григорий Братислава wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Laurelai wrote: > >> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or >> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, >> or of the press; or the right of the people p

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Laurelai wrote: > And that brings us back to what are we going to do about the US Gov laying > down in the same mud as the bad guys I is detect narcissism Wesley. "what are we" is you ask. Define we. Is you has gang behind you? (I is not mean for those actions is

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On 6/8/12 1:48 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Laurelai > wrote: > > > All that is necessary /for evil to triumph/ is for good people to > do nothing. > > > The corollary to that argument is that *good people* must not resort > to the sa

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Laurelai wrote: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, > or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to > petition the Governme

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Laurelai wrote: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, > or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to > petition the Governme

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Laurelai wrote: > > All that is necessary *for evil to triumph* is for good people to do > nothing. > The corollary to that argument is that *good people* must not resort to the same tactics as the people they are fighting. To lie down in the same mud makes you ju

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On 6/8/12 1:41 PM, Григорий Братислава wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Laurelai > wrote: > > Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I > damn well earned my right to complain about how broken the system > is, myself and the

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Laurelai wrote: > Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I damn well > earned my right to complain about how broken the system is, myself and the > soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could all have a free country and > that yes I could

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Laurelai wrote: > Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I damn well > earned my right to complain about how broken the system is, myself and the > soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could all have a free country and > that yes I could

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On 6/8/12 11:38 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:48:33 -0400, Ian Hayes said: >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andrew.wallace >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM, wrote: One could equally well read that as "We're fed up and about to pound North Ko

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On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:48:33 -0400, Ian Hayes said: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andrew.wallace > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM,  wrote: > >> One could equally well read that as "We're fed up and about to > >> pound North Korea even further back into the Stone Age". > > > > With

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osure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:12 AM To: Jack Slade Cc: Full Disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:06:25 -0400, Jack Slade said: > There's an el

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Nothing will change as long as we watch. Those who are in power will continue to do as they please. On Jun 7, 2012 1:54 PM, "Laurelai" wrote: > On 6/7/12 1:48 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andrew.wallace > > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM, wrote: > >>> O

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On 6/7/12 1:48 PM, Ian Hayes wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andrew.wallace > wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM, wrote: >>> One could equally well read that as "We're fed up and about to >>> pound North Korea even further back into the Stone Age". >> With Stuxnet, it was lucky no

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM,  wrote: >> One could equally well read that as "We're fed up and about to >> pound North Korea even further back into the Stone Age". > > With Stuxnet, it was lucky nobody was seriously injured. > > You cannot

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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:08:01 -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:41:24 -0400, Laurelai said: > > > People seem to think that since the US Gov did it that makes it ok, > > well I do not think it does. Especially when they throw kids with > > small botnets in jail for bein

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On 6/7/12 4:44 AM, doc mombasa wrote: > why arent you out on the streets blowing up stuff and taking names? > be a rolemodel > > 2012/6/7 Laurelai mailto:laure...@oneechan.org>> > > On 6/7/12 12:05 AM, Ian Hayes wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Laurelai

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why arent you out on the streets blowing up stuff and taking names? be a rolemodel 2012/6/7 Laurelai > On 6/7/12 12:05 AM, Ian Hayes wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Laurelai wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 6/6/12 11:44 PM, valdis.kletni...

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On 6/7/12 12:05 AM, Ian Hayes wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Laurelai wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 6/6/12 11:44 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 23:22:32 -0400, Laurelai said: >>> Guys can we focus on the fact that th

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