Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-16 Thread Barrie Dempster
off list On Tuesday 15 August 2006 21:45, Dude VanWinkle wrote: Still, I cant seem to help but think there is something to this port 0 thingy http://www.networkpenetration.com/port0.html snip 3. Port 0 OS Fingerprinting --- As port 0 is reserverd for special use

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:33:13 BST, Barrie Dempster said: Although the port 0 in this case is a red herring and irrelevant. Port 0 itself when used with TCP/UDP (not ICMP!) can actually be used on the Internet. A while back I modified netcat and my linux kernel so that it would allow usage of

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-16 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
Well, After over 100,000 alerts each with very different payloads the traffic stopped. I do have a list of all of the dropped packets from my firewall as well and it appears that it was hitting 3 IP addresses which are public facing, not just one. The weird part, is that two of those three

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-16 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
Also, I failed to mention that they came in bursts of 3 every 5 minutes on the dot. Adriel T. Desautels wrote: Well, After over 100,000 alerts each with very different payloads the traffic stopped. I do have a list of all of the dropped packets from my firewall as well and it appears

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-16 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
you could setup a user ip redirect page and just ask the users from this ip to fill out a form before proceeding... On 8/15/06, Adriel T. Desautels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, There's something to the traffic that I am seeing. The payloads are always changing and contain significantly

[Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Julio Cesar Fort
Dude VanWinkle, snip - Looks to me like they are using port 0. http://www.grc.com/port_0.htm -JP *NEVER TRUST* Steve Gibson. I bet he smokes crack. See http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan.html#gibson for more details. Best regards, Julio Cesar Fort Recife, PE,

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Dude VanWinkle
On 8/15/06, Julio Cesar Fort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude VanWinkle, snip - Looks to me like they are using port 0. http://www.grc.com/port_0.htm -JP *NEVER TRUST* Steve Gibson. I bet he smokes crack. See http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan.html#gibson for

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
Well, There's something to the traffic that I am seeing. The payloads are always changing and contain significantly different data. One of the payloads was packed full of X'es, the other was packed full of |'s. Check it out. Event: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable Category:

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Darren Bounds
Dude, In case you've failed to notice, this is an ICMP port unreachable message. It's sent in response to a UDP packet destined for an unavailable UDP port. The port '0' referenced in the event source/destination is meaningless as ICMP doesn't use source and destination ports (it is always '0').

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
Darren, I did notice what type of packet it was and I also know what the packet signifies. The issue that I am having is that there has never been any outbound UDP activity to the host that is replying to this network. The payloads of the ICMP packets are a bit weird too, containing either

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Darren Bounds
Adriel, I was replying to Dude VanWinkle, who's been chasing down the src/dst port 0 unnecessarily. On 8/15/06, Adriel T. Desautels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, I did notice what type of packet it was and I also know what thepacket signifies. The issue that I am having is that there has never

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Scott Renna
common mistakeOn Aug 15, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Darren Bounds wrote:I'm confused about a couple things:   1) You say you knew the nature of the packet yet in your original message you stated "Neither the source IP or the target IP have any ports associated with them in this event. Any ideas would be

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
Darren, my apologies. ;] Darren Bounds wrote: Adriel, I was replying to Dude VanWinkle, who's been chasing down the src/dst port 0 unnecessarily. On 8/15/06, Adriel T. Desautels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, I did notice what type of packet it was and I also know what the packet

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
Darren, My responses are below: Darren Bounds wrote: I'm confused about a couple things: 1) You say you knew the nature of the packet yet in your original message you stated Neither the source IP or the target IP have any ports associated with them in this event. Any ideas would be

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Adriel T. Desautels
starting to think that, there's an awful lot of traffic tho. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:09 EDT, Adriel T. Desautels said: Darren, I did notice what type of packet it was and I also know what the packet signifies. The issue that I am having is that there has

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Dude VanWinkle
On 8/15/06, Darren Bounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adriel, I was replying to Dude VanWinkle, who's been chasing down the src/dst port 0 unnecessarily. Nah, I realized after the 4th post it was an ICMP packet and was just curious about port 0 Only TCP/UDP have ports, I know that :-) -JPone

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:23:30 EDT, Adriel T. Desautels said: starting to think that, there's an awful lot of traffic tho. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Backscatter reply to a spoofed packet source address? You think *you* got a lot of traffic, think about the site that sent you the ICMP - if

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: ICMP Destination Unreachable Port Unreachable

2006-08-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:09 EDT, Adriel T. Desautels said: Darren, I did notice what type of packet it was and I also know what the packet signifies. The issue that I am having is that there has never been any outbound UDP activity to the host that is replying to this network.