RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-13 Thread Keith T. Morgan
: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem In the scenario you describe, I cannot see any actual amplification... I'll give you a senario where you can see. lets say you have 2 name servers that are local to you. I setup a domain, example.com. In this domain I

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-13 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On den 8 mars 2006 14.58.20 -0500 gboyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Security Lists wrote: Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR dns servers are 100% of the traffic. 1:1 ratio. Once the first request to the nameservers is made, the

RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread Geo.
In the scenario you describe, I cannot see any actual amplification... I'll give you a senario where you can see. lets say you have 2 name servers that are local to you. I setup a domain, example.com. In this domain I create a text record which is 100K in length, I don't know, perhaps I paste

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread Security Lists
Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR dns servers are 100% of the traffic. 1:1 ratio. Now, if you get the world to cache your text records, and have THEM flood with source-spoofed UDP (unrelated to the victim's DNS servers), that'd work, and is actually a

Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

2006-03-08 Thread gboyce
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Security Lists wrote: Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR dns servers are 100% of the traffic. 1:1 ratio. Once the first request to the nameservers is made, the object should be cached by the nameservers. Instead of one packet to each