Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-25 Thread diabol the japanophile
Well, in fact you can easily recover the data directly on the phone using something like FExplorer and an hex editor just take a look at the files in the subfolders of C:\system\Mail (hint hint: you can also copy attached files over to anywhere on the FS from there) what really sucks about this

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-22 Thread dave kleiman
>>But if all you're trying to do is retrieve SMS messages, it'd be a lot easier to just subpoena the carrier .. they keep the contents forever (even if they say they don't .. I know for a fact they do because I personally saw one of the major US carriers .. [ahem.. Verizon] ..

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-20 Thread Eduardo Tongson
gd, You can also recover SMS from flash memory cards used in these Nokia phones. The phones has a feature wherein you can archive or backup SMS to the cards. So even if they delete the backup you could just undelete the .dat files using something like Testdisk to recover the messages. On 5/16/07,

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is a call for any software developers out there willing to spend a bit of time to write a shred application for these types of files. -John Martinelli RedLevel.org Security ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-17 Thread Randy Wyatt
On 5/16/07, Davide Del Vecchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3APA3A ha scritto: > Dear Davide Del Vecchio, > > It's also possible to recover deleted photos from almost any flash card > in almost any device (camera, mobile, etc) - it's a way general purpose > file systems work. Requirement to

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-17 Thread Matthew Leeds
In fact this is so well known that many of the charities that accept donated cell phones provide tools for secure deletion of data prior to shipping the phone. http://wirelessrecycling.com/home/data_eraser/ It would be interesting to test the hard reset (factory reset) feature of some current

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-17 Thread Zhihao
Hi there, you may wanna try out this software called mobiledit too. It's more of a mobile phone forensic software..you'll be surprised at the type of data you can fish out from your mobile using this software! It does supports a wide range of different phone models for analysis too. -Original

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-16 Thread Davide Del Vecchio
3APA3A ha scritto: > Dear Davide Del Vecchio, > > It's also possible to recover deleted photos from almost any flash card > in almost any device (camera, mobile, etc) - it's a way general purpose > file systems work. Requirement to delete information securely is > enforced in devices c

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-16 Thread Michael Holstein
and what's more .. Flash memory not being infinitely over-writable, file systems used on those devices (JFFS2 for example) actually encourage leaving data behind by ensuring recently unlinked logical blocks aren't re-used anytime soon (wear-leveling). I know the original method proposed is non-

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-16 Thread 3APA3A
Dear Davide Del Vecchio, It's also possible to recover deleted photos from almost any flash card in almost any device (camera, mobile, etc) - it's a way general purpose file systems work. Requirement to delete information securely is enforced in devices certified to e.g. process US mil

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-16 Thread Robert McArdle
I downloaded the latest Version of Nokia PC Suite from the Nokia site (6.8.3Rel 14.1). I then sent a message to myself and deleted it after it arrived. Backing up my phone created a single .ndu file (not multiple dats). I analyzed the strings in the file (file uses no compression/packing) and alth

Re: [Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-15 Thread Aaron Lafferty
I was curious, so I took a Nokia N75 (S60 3rd Edition FP 0) and deleted all of my messages. I then hooked it up to my PC and ran a backup with the nokia PC suite. The file was saved into one large .nbu file. At this point I had no SMS messages left on my phone. The .nbu file is binary, but the

[Full-disclosure] Retrieving "deleted" sms/mms from Nokia phone (Symbian S60)

2007-05-15 Thread Davide Del Vecchio
Hello list, During some research, I found an intersting "feature" on my Nokia mobile phone; I was able to retrieve any apparently deleted sms/mms. Letting aside some paranoid thoughts about WHY this sms are not deleted, I think that, while this represents an high risk for our privacy, this discove