Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread wayne dawson
Simon Smith wrote: Hi List, I've had roughly one dozen people forward emails to me from different companies asking me to figure out what these emails are. The emails appear to be emails from the from the recipient. For example, John Doe appears to be sending an email to himself, but he's not.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Michael Holstein
What would really help is SPF, if you can manage it. That way you can reject mail that claims to come from your domain but does not come from your mail servers. But this is all a bit OT, not really full disclosure. Well, sort of. Too many domains do something like '~' or '?' instead of '-' li

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Ademar Gonzalez
On 6/7/06, Pam Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ademar Gonzalez wrote: > On 6/7/06, Simon Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ok, that makes sense... will greylisting counter this? > > don't think graylisting will have much effect, each bot sending a few > mails. Greylisting works by tempora

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Pam Patterson
Ademar Gonzalez wrote: On 6/7/06, Simon Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ok, that makes sense... will greylisting counter this? don't think graylisting will have much effect, each bot sending a few mails. Greylisting works by temporarily rejecting the first email from a sender at an ip add

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Cory
My best guess is that they are trying to poison bayesian spam filters with these. I don't know if it is actually working, but I can't imagine how else these would serve any purpose. Simon Smith wrote: Hi List, I've had roughly one dozen people forward emails to me from different companies

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Michael Holstein
When you try and send email to a non-existant address, the receiving server rejects during the smtp transaction so a return address is not needed since the sending bot gets this error message before the transaction is completed. Depends on the MTA and how it's configured. Some will silently acce

RE: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Geo.
> ok, that makes sense... will greylisting counter this? To some degree depending on how you greylist but why would you want to? In other words if the spammers know that 100 of your domain's addresses on their mailing list are invalid and remove them, then that's 100 email attempts your server won

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Ademar Gonzalez
On 6/7/06, Simon Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ok, that makes sense... will greylisting counter this? don't think graylisting will have much effect, each bot sending a few mails. ademar ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lis

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Simon Smith
ok, that makes sense... will greylisting counter this? Geo. wrote: >> Alright, >> If this is spam/email harvesting then please explain how it is >> working without any legitimate return path? I understand blasting out >> bunk emails with a legit return path, but these emails have no such >> pa

RE: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Geo.
> Alright, > If this is spam/email harvesting then please explain how it is > working without any legitimate return path? I understand blasting out > bunk emails with a legit return path, but these emails have no such > path. Whats the ditty? When you try and send email to a non-existant addre

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Tonu Samuel
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 16:10, Simon Smith wrote: > Hi List, > I've had roughly one dozen people forward emails to me from > different companies asking me to figure out what these emails are. The > emails appear to be emails from the from the recipient. For example, > John Doe appears to be s

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Simon Smith
Ok, So I've done a bit more digging and I am seeing a lot more of these. The sources are very different from each other. Some of them come from china, some from europe, etc. The one thing that is really bugging me is that none of these emails contain legitimate return paths. Michael Holstein w

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Simon Smith
Alright, If this is spam/email harvesting then please explain how it is working without any legitimate return path? I understand blasting out bunk emails with a legit return path, but these emails have no such path. Whats the ditty? Michael Holstein wrote: >> Is this just another instance of s

Re: [Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Michael Holstein
Is this just another instance of spammers fishing for legit addresses? If so, then why the hell are they sending email from invalid addresses? I can dig into this a lot further if I need to, but I wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas about it first. Thanks in advance!!! Yes (just spam --

[Full-disclosure] Strange Emails -- What are they?

2006-06-07 Thread Simon Smith
Hi List, I've had roughly one dozen people forward emails to me from different companies asking me to figure out what these emails are. The emails appear to be emails from the from the recipient. For example, John Doe appears to be sending an email to himself, but he's not. In reality when chec