Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-03 Thread Adrian P
Hi folks! Just wanted to say that it IS possible to make good money and have fun breaking security. Lots of security researchers out there are offered very generous positions which sometimes allows them to work from home. In many of these positions the researcher chooses what to break, and the

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread pdp (architect)
right, this is what I like to call hacker romanticism, but do you know what? it does not work this way! only in the movies, I guess! so if you are a hacker, if you truly believe that you are a hacker, then you will find a way to be better off then anybody else without the need to break any laws

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread coderman
On Dec 2, 2007 12:48 AM, pdp (architect) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... you will find a way to be better off then anybody else without the need to break any laws .. what does breaking the law have to do with this? there is one very old Chinese saying: find a job that you love and you will

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread coderman
On Dec 2, 2007 1:27 AM, coderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... admin / routine positions seem more accommodating to telecommute, flexible schedule, and free time while giving the appearance of working. i completely forgot to mention lack of non compete, intellectual property agreements, and

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread jf
sooner or later every authentic hacker discovers that you must separate work from play. I really wish everyone would stop projecting their own world views and insisting that in order for person A to be X you simply have to come to the same conclusions and hold the same sets of beliefs that

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:47:11 GMT, jf said: Here is the simple truth, there is no underlying outlook, background, dogma or set of ethics that define hacking. The only theme that applies across the board is breaking computer security. And there's still a few hold-outs that don't agree with

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread coderman
On Dec 2, 2007 5:47 PM, jf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... something southern baptists ... You're doing it wrong. oh well, i checked monster.com and my ruse didn't work. no employeee exodus, no new signing bonus, and here i thought you'd all send email notice on a pleasant saturday afternoon.

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-02 Thread James Matthews
Correct there must be a separation between work and play! But playing will always be fun! On Dec 2, 2007 8:29 PM, coderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2007 5:47 PM, jf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... something southern baptists ... You're doing it wrong. oh well, i checked monster.com

Re: [Full-disclosure] authentic hackers still do it for the love ... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

2007-12-01 Thread coderman
On Dec 1, 2007 9:12 PM, Goebbels Amadeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Have you ever considered your future in their hands? You've been working for 50 years, your liver and kidneys start failing, creating visible symptoms, stains in your skin. You can't handle life in the same way anymore. For