Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-19 Thread Gregor Schneider
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Bernd Marienfeldt be...@linx.net wrote: I'm not sure how it's done on Linux, but in general the iPhone pairs with computers and refuses to talk to to an unpaired computer if there is a passcode

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Gregor Schneider
Bernd, IIRC, the iPhone gets mounted, however, you'll only have access to pictures videos (3gs). I wouldn't consider that a security flaw - this behaviour is standard for almost any device being mounted via USB. Question: iPhone OS 3.1.3? Jailbreaked / original firmware? I'll check it tonight

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread vtlists
Gregor Schneider writes: Bernd, IIRC, the iPhone gets mounted, however, you'll only have access to pictures videos (3gs). I wouldn't consider that a security flaw - this behaviour is standard for almost any device being mounted via USB. Question: iPhone OS 3.1.3? Jailbreaked /

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24:42 +0200, Gregor Schneider said: IIRC, the iPhone gets mounted, however, you'll only have access to pictures videos (3gs). I wouldn't consider that a security flaw - this behaviour is standard for almost any device being mounted via USB. The fact that most devices do

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Bernd Marienfeldt
On 18/05/10 09:24, Gregor Schneider wrote: Question: iPhone OS 3.1.3? Jailbreaked / original firmware? I'll check it tonight with a 3G, iPhone OS 3.1.1, Jailbreak and come back to you. Hi Gregor, I updated my blog, hope this helps:

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Gregor Schneider
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: The fact that most devices do it doesn't mean it's not a security flaw. -1 AFAIK the USB-protocol does not contain any authorization / authentication-mechanism: http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb3.htm Please correct

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Christian Sciberras
That is because it is a hardware protocol. But that doesn't mean applications can't have their own protocol, or use a standard one such as TLS. As a comparison, it is like https/ssl vs tcp/ip protocol. Cheers. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Gregor Schneider rc4...@googlemail.comwrote: On

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:02:53 +0200, Gregor Schneider said: AFAIK the USB-protocol does not contain any authorization / authentication-mechanism: -1 (as you put it). 1) Google broken as designed sometime. 2) Google for secure USB flash drive. Oddly enough, the lack of said mechanism doesn't

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:38:47 +0200, Christian Sciberras said: That is because it is a hardware protocol. But that doesn't mean applications can't have their own protocol, or use a standard one such as TLS. Or get even simpler - design the device with the rule: Don't even bother talking on the

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Michael Holstein
AFAIK the USB-protocol does not contain any authorization / authentication-mechanism: USB just defines the signaling protocol and interface. After that, you can make the target device to whatever you want with the corresponding driver on the host side. Take a look at any Sansa MP3 player ..

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Bernd Marienfeldt be...@linx.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I've recently upgraded to Ubuntu Lucid Lynx (10.04 LTS) and been surprised by the iPhone 3GS (3.1.3 - 7E18) mounting behavior: Fully switch off the iPhone 3GS and

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Zach C.
The iPhone uses proprietary protocols over USB for file operations, syncing and the like -- only real authentication that I can recall (and I got it working to begin with ;)) was that the session with lockdownd (kind of a broker for starting services, etc.) eventually goes SSL... there is also

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of comex Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:23 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Bernd Marienfeldt

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Zach C.
Truly? Wait, are you going through AFC or some other way? It was my understanding that iPhone internal storage never comes up any other way... Doesn't lockdownd require that your computer be paired before even going SSL to start services? On May 18, 2010 4:23 PM, Thor (Hammer of God)

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-18 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
. [mailto:fxc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:27 PM To: Thor (Hammer of God) Cc: comex; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw Truly? Wait, are you going through AFC or some other way? It was my understanding that iPhone internal storage

[Full-disclosure] iPhone data protection flaw

2010-05-17 Thread Bernd Marienfeldt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I've recently upgraded to Ubuntu Lucid Lynx (10.04 LTS) and been surprised by the iPhone 3GS (3.1.3 - 7E18) mounting behavior: Fully switch off the iPhone 3GS and then connect it to the Lucid Lynx PC via USB, the phone turns on and will be