Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-08-02 Thread lsi
To cut to the chase, approx 80% of all phish target 1 of 20 or less companies. [1] [2] [7] [8] [9] I also found a paper which suggests the blacklist might work. [6] I found three other papers that reviewed phish detection in-depth, however none of them seemed to mention filtering on the FROM

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread lsi
Thank you all for your comments. However, I cannot disagree more fully. It doesn't matter that the blacklist is not complete, if a scammer tries to phish a bank that's not on the list, eg. is not popular, he won't make much money, because it's a small bank and the probability of him hitting

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Nick FitzGerald
lsi wrote: Thank you all for your comments. However, I cannot disagree more fully. Ignorance does that for people... It doesn't matter that the blacklist is not complete, if a scammer tries to phish a bank that's not on the list, eg. is not popular, he won't make much money, because

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Robert Holgstad
I think you are the new greatest troll of FD On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:14 AM, lsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your comments. However, I cannot disagree more fully. It doesn't matter that the blacklist is not complete, if a scammer tries to phish a bank that's not on the

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread blah
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:14 AM, lsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your comments. However, I cannot disagree more fully. The simple fact that you said, put all banks on the list except the one you actually use, really demonstrates how poorly some of this has been thought out.

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 23:27:45 Nick FitzGerald wrote: You really have no f*ing clue how ordinary users' tiny little brains work, have you??? I got an inkling when a phishing spam asked me for the usual information, and also requested my future password. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society:

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Exibar
30, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Thank you all for your comments. However, I cannot disagree more fully. It doesn't matter that the blacklist is not complete, if a scammer tries to phish a bank that's not on the list, eg. is not popular, he won't make much

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Dragos Ruiu
On 30-Jul-08, at 9:19 AM, Exibar wrote: No time to comment on most, but just to throw this in there: Here in the states we have a few hundred thousand different banks at least. 500 is WAY too small of a number. Credit Unions are banks, small banks, and almost every city has at least

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Exibar
] ; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix On 30-Jul-08, at 9:19 AM, Exibar wrote: No time to comment on most, but just to throw this in there: Here in the states we have a few hundred

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Dragos Ruiu
- Original Message - From: Dragos Ruiu To: Exibar Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix On 30-Jul-08, at 9:19 AM, Exibar wrote: No time to comment on most, but just to throw

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-30 Thread Raj Mathur
On Sunday 27 Jul 2008, lsi wrote: Soo y'all know not to click on those emails from your bank, or from any other bank, in your inbox and now you just delete them ... why not automate this process? It's easy, just filter a whole bunch of banking names straight to your deleted items. All you

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-29 Thread Stian Øvrevåge
Jul 2008 at 10:57, Biz Marqee wrote: Date sent: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:57:06 +1000 From: Biz Marqee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject:RE: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, you our are savior.. no, no our e

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-29 Thread Nick FitzGerald
lsi wrote: Of all the approaches below I like the simple list of strings in the email client (the first link). This is because it's a DENY ALL policy. ... simple -- yes. DENY ALL -- nope... From your first post, it's clear that you receive samples from a _VERY_ limited sliver of the

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-29 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Monday 28 July 2008 20:55:10 Stian Øvrevåge wrote: You mention phising, but I think quite a few points from the why-your-spam-solution-wont-work-list are relevant: (x) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected If we stick with the narrowly focused problem of bank

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-29 Thread Glenn.Everhart
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Besenbruch Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:04 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix On Monday 28 July 2008 20:55:10 Stian Øvrevåge wrote: You mention phising, but I

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-29 Thread Randal T. Rioux
On Tue, July 29, 2008 2:31 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might eliminate phishing but there are occasionally messages from people at these institutions also. This sort of thing is in essence allowing phishers a denial of service attack against anyone they choose to make themselves a

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-29 Thread Peter Besenbruch
As for email, judge by its content. This posting for example will do nothing to your money, sells you nothing. Nor does it ask any information of you. If it were spoofed it would be harmless. I might also add that Bogofilter didn't flag it as spam, either (X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter,

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-28 Thread lsi
:57:06 +1000 From: Biz Marqee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject:RE: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, you our are savior.. no, no our e-Hero! Forget patches for software bugs.. This guy can teach us how to set

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-28 Thread Biz Marqee
] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject:RE: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, you our are savior.. no, no our e-Hero! Forget patches for software bugs.. This guy can teach us how to set up a mail filter!! Seriously dude.. do you

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-28 Thread lsi
:57, Biz Marqee wrote: Date sent: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:57:06 +1000 From: Biz Marqee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject:RE: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, you our are savior.. no, no our e

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-28 Thread lsi
: normal Subject:[Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Soo y'all know not to click on those emails from your bank, or from any other bank, in your inbox and now you just delete them ... why not automate this process

[Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-27 Thread lsi
Soo y'all know not to click on those emails from your bank, or from any other bank, in your inbox and now you just delete them ... why not automate this process? It's easy, just filter a whole bunch of banking names straight to your deleted items. All you do is create a rule for each bank,

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-27 Thread trejrco
And yet some banks do, in fact, send real emails to their clients ... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: lsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:10:38 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix Soo

Re: [Full-disclosure] simple phishing fix

2008-07-27 Thread Biz Marqee
Wow, you our are savior.. no, no our e-Hero! Forget patches for software bugs.. This guy can teach us how to set up a mail filter!! Seriously dude.. do you think we care about, or are too inept to set up mail filter rules? Go find another list to contribute to, you are a joke.