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As I look out across our community, the conglomeration of opposed forces that often
collide on mailing lists and IRC, I am sad. Why am I sad? The reason should be
obvious to all but the slowest among you: the Black Hat
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Debian Security Announcement [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.debian.org/security/ Martin Schulze
November 22nd, 2002
Microsoft security bulletin
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-065.asp
contains the caveat a patched system could be made vulnerable again [by]
visit a web site or open an HTML mail. We have a execute-any-code
vulnerability, exploitable by a Web page or email; the patch can
A discourse, by itself, means little; any fool on the street can spout
his opinion, but it's most likely that nobody will listen to him. The
difference with a dominant discourse is that it is supported and
heartily endorsed by the dominant class (politicians, corporations
etc). Why do they
ive worked in the security industry for 5-6 years and its
given me financial security, made me independent, allowed
me to do the things scriptkidiots like yourselves can only
dream of doing.
This is exactly what I am talking about. They rant about script kids all the
way to the bank with the
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:19:08 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The fear PHC, ~el8 and such groups put into companies is actually
helping sec.industry.
If it was up to them I think there would be hundreds of publicly
known groups going
wild on systems and proving
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| EnGarde Secure Linux Security Advisory November 22, 2002 |
| http://www.engardelinux.org/ ESA-20021122-030
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| EnGarde Secure Linux Security Advisory November 22, 2002 |
| http://www.engardelinux.org/ ESA-20021122-031
Does anyone have a simple email address for contacting SAP
http://www.sap.com about security vulnerabilities?
-KF
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check out the internet pulse website...
http://www.internetpulse.net/1/
yesterday (thursday the 21st) the Internap section was completely red. late
last night i noticed it had cleared up but as i look at it right now
Internap is experiencing problems again.
i didn't notice anything like this at
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Please note they do recognise it, and also
Paul,
Blackhats would not keep your network secure.
Blackhats will break into your network with no
remorse.
There will always be Blackhats.
Whitehats will not keep your network secure but will
charge you a shitload of money anyway. Alot of
whitehats breed script kiddies.
Blackhats are mad
would it be wise to delete all mail that contains any variation of the
string script kiddie? this is getting pretty fucking retarded.
-matt
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I'll write you a script to do that ok because you seem
pretty retarded yourself.
Oh yeah, you can unsubscribe.
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would it be wise to delete all mail that contains
any variation of the
string script kiddie? this is getting pretty
fucking retarded.
-matt
I received one response (so far) to my request to explain how black
hats would propose I keep my network secure. I would appreciate it if
responses could at least be cc'd to the list so they can be discussed
openly.
My request still stands. Any takers?
I'll take the bait. This is a pretty
So why should I, as a guy who is concerned about the
security of my
network, care what blackhats have to say? Why
should I support anything
the blackhats are trying to convince me I should
support?
You shouldn't listen to anyone except for your inner
self. You should find strength in
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November 22, 2002
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All of that is axiomatic, however, the so-called blackhats have been
posting here, ranting about the security industry and how it it's greedy
and leeches off of other people's work. They want the industry to go
away, or so they say. Yet the very reason the industry exists is
because *they* do.
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You shouldn't listen to anyone except for your inner
self. You should find strength in Jesus.
Jesus
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Schmehl, Paul L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the umpteenth time, this is a full disclosure list. *You* may
delete anything you want, with or without first reading it, given your
ability to configure your own MUA. So can anyone else who subscribes
to this
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3. Stripey, you speak of the PHC new bloods when you have no
knowledge of how long any of us have been online for. Based on how
recently you started selling bugs to Snosoft, it's very likely that
you're the one who's Only Been Around For A Few
The blackhats assert that the security industry is evil, because they
don't offer 100% solutions.
Look how smart I am! I figured out how to pocket the candy without
getting caught! You must be really stupid to even try!
What they don't seem to realize is that security can never be 100%.
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