Have you read the Geneva Convention? Or better yet "The United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights". Read it, the whole thing, and then bitch and moan. Do you really think Terrorists live by it?
Article 7 No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Rape and torture rooms - human shredders? Flying planes into buildings - being burned alive. Beheading civilians? All sound like torture to me. So if some people have to sit in a small room for a while till it all gets sorted out, I can live with that. And if those people are terrorists - who should *not* get the benefit of the Geneva Convention then so be it. Did you lose anyone in the towers? I did. Do you have a son fighting for your freedom, I do. I am proud of my son and weep every day for my loss. For me it is not a soapbox, it is personal, very personal. Keep the political crap off this almost useless mailing list If you want a political debate or to spout off about that which you do not know, then please go somewhere else -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:30 AM To: Adam Challis Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] If Lycos can attack spammer sites, can we all start doing it? On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:57:24 GMT, Adam Challis said: > Being based in Germany, wouldn't they be subject to German and EU law? That's a minor factual detail, and we care somewhere between diddly and squat regarding the facts of the case. ;) The US government of late has shown little moral or ethical qualms about imposing its law and morality on people and actions in other sovereign states, while reserving its right to pick-and-choose regarding its own behavior. Remember, we're the bunch that detained a lot of people for things they did in their own country to repel an invading army (namely, us), and then stuffed them into Guantanamo Bay so that we wouldn't have to actually accord them their Geneva Convention rights as prisoners-of-war. We've also seen fit to skip the whole idea of "habeas corpus" for our *own* citizens (see "Hamdi v. Rumsfeld" and "Rumsfeld v. Padilla") and even the concept that you should be allowed to know what law you're violating (see "Gilmore v. Ashcroft"). So be afraid. Be very afraid.... (OK, you can have the soapbox back now... ;) _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html