RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-12 Thread Justin Baldini
-jb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Simon Richter Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:31 AM To: 'Full Disclosure' Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer Hi, I wonder whether it would be feasible to build network cards that could re

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-12 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, I wonder whether it would be feasible to build network cards that could report the signal reflection characteristics of the link to make it possible to detect sniffing equipment cut into a network cable (should catch magnetic coupling as well). I bet some security conscious folks will pay lot

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Eric LeBlanc
http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/sniffing-faq.html Go to section 2.5 On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Kenton Smith
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:43, Mike Fratto wrote: > Your assuming that the attacker 1) has control of the switch and 2) is > sniffing either the uplink or has configured the switch to mirror all the > switch ports or VLAN to the mirror port. > > Neither of which may be the case. There are many pe

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Kenton Smith
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:43, Mike Fratto wrote: > Your assuming that the attacker 1) has control of the switch and 2) is > sniffing either the uplink or has configured the switch to mirror all the > switch ports or VLAN to the mirror port. > > Neither of which may be the case. There are many pe

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Fratto
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kenton Smith > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Full Disclosure; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer &

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Eric LeBlanc
http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/sniffing-faq.html Go to section 2.5 On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Fratto
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kenton Smith > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Full Disclosure; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer &

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Tim
> How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? There was a long thread on this subject in February on focus-ids: http://seclists.org/lists/focus-ids/2004/Feb/0028.html One link to an interesting paper posted there: http://www.securityfriday.com/promiscuous_detection_01.pdf There

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Kenton Smith
I skimmed through some of the articles and they all have some good information. Are you running a switched network? If you are then the easiest way is to look at your traffic stats and find the port that *all* traffic is going to. If this doesn't make sense to you, then you should do some more rese

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Kenton Smith
I skimmed through some of the articles and they all have some good information. Are you running a switched network? If you are then the easiest way is to look at your traffic stats and find the port that *all* traffic is going to. If this doesn't make sense to you, then you should do some more rese

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer; Re:

2004-03-11 Thread Tim
> How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? There was a long thread on this subject in February on focus-ids: http://seclists.org/lists/focus-ids/2004/Feb/0028.html One link to an interesting paper posted there: http://www.securityfriday.com/promiscuous_detection_01.pdf There

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread David Bartholomew
You can't hijack a switched environment with *only* the dsniff tools, though. Arpspoof is very nifty for 'lying' to the wire and telling it you are who you say you are. But if you're not *supposed* to be getting all the network's packets *and* you arpspoof the gateway's IP with your MAC address, yo

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Kenton Smith
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:43, Mike Fratto wrote: > Your assuming that the attacker 1) has control of the switch and 2) is > sniffing either the uplink or has configured the switch to mirror all the > switch ports or VLAN to the mirror port. > > Neither of which may be the case. There are many pe

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Fratto
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kenton Smith > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Full Disclosure; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer &

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread RMcElroy
http://www.securiteam.com/tools/5HP011F40E.html -Original Message- From: Simon Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:02 AM To: Patricio Bruna V. Cc: Full Disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer Hi, > How can i know if there a snif

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Kenton Smith
I skimmed through some of the articles and they all have some good information. Are you running a switched network? If you are then the easiest way is to look at your traffic stats and find the port that *all* traffic is going to. If this doesn't make sense to you, then you should do some more rese

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? In the Good Old Days(tm), at LAN parties, we used to send out garbled packets (that would make Windows' IP stack crash) to a nonexistant hardware address, then looked who got a bluescreen. Of course, this makes sense only in unswitche

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer [Resending]

2004-03-11 Thread Motiwala, Yusuf
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:full-disclosure- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Latter > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:57 AM > To: Gary E. Miller > Cc: Full Disclosure > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer > > > > Whi

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread eflorio
iddle\" sniffing (look at ettercap) EF >- Original Message - >From: \"David Vincent\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:51 AM >Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer > > Ho

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Eric LeBlanc
http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/sniffing-faq.html Go to section 2.5 On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Motiwala, Yusuf wrote: > TDR will not work if someone running Sniffer on existing network port. No, it won't; that's the point. You are supposed to account for all those cables leading out of the patch panel, but given that most humans are generally more than a few inches wi

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Motiwala, Yusuf
e List > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: > > > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? > > When you wake up one day to find that you're 0wn3d :-) > > Seriously, about the only way

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread morning_wood
> > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? > > When you wake up one day to find that you're 0wn3d :-) > > Seriously, about the only way I can think of to detect a sniffer with > its transmit leads cut is with a Time Domain Reflectometer (TDR) and > look for an unexplained impeda

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Motiwala, Yusuf
; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:full-disclosure- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Latter > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:57 AM > To: Gary E. Miller > Cc: Full Disclosure > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer > > > > While there's no way to

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-11 Thread Lan Guy
.. Lan Guy - Original Message - From: "David Vincent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? if you're lucky, they

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Ian Latter
> > While there's no way to be sure-sure ... you can get into your > > local LAN segment and send ICMP(/whatever) requests to the > > correct L3 address with the wrong L2 address and see if you > > get a response; this will show you if hosts/devices are listening > > promiscuously (which makes for

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Cael Abal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Latter wrote: > While there's no way to be sure-sure ... you can get into your > local LAN segment and send ICMP(/whatever) requests to the > correct L3 address with the wrong L2 address and see if you > get a response; this will show you if hosts

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread David Vincent
> How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? if you're lucky, they are stupid and are using microsoft's network monitor. Tools --> Identify Network Monitor Users http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/windows/ntserverguide/ntsnetmon.html - http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinf

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Ian Latter
rting point). - Original Message - >From: "Gary E. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Patricio Bruna V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:51:07 -0800 > > -BEGIN PGP SIG

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Tim
> How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? There was a long thread on this subject in February on focus-ids: http://seclists.org/lists/focus-ids/2004/Feb/0028.html One link to an interesting paper posted there: http://www.securityfriday.com/promiscuous_detection_01.pdf There

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Chris Adams
On Mar 10, 2004, at 13:13, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? You might catch someone sloppy with tricks like DNS resolution (send data with a hostname / IP and see who resolves it) or bugs in the way the sniffing host handles things like ARP resolut

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? When you wake up one day to find that you're 0wn3d :-) Seriously, about the only way I can think of to detect a sniffer with its transmit leads cut is with a Time Domain Reflectometer (TDR) a

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Gary E. Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo Patricio! On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Patricio Bruna V. wrote: > How can i know if there a sniffer running in my network? If the hacker has had physical access to your network, even for just a few minutes, then there are many ways he can install a sniff

[Full-Disclosure] Caching a sniffer

2004-03-10 Thread Patricio Bruna V.
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