Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:47:05 +0300, Georgi Guninski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ballmer made it absolutely clear where his company--arguably the biggest > target for cybercrime the world over--stands when it comes to hacking, be it > malicious code-authoring or what some consider to be ethical pr

Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-02 Thread Georgi Guninski
Ballmer made it absolutely clear where his company--arguably the biggest target for cybercrime the world over--stands when it comes to hacking, be it malicious code-authoring oor what some consider to be ethical programming. Ballmer likens these individuals to criminals who blow up buildings an

Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread madsaxon
At 01:32 PM 10/1/03 -0700, Gregory A. Gilliss wrote: Reality - the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) likely will not even make the effort to prosecute computer crimes that cannot be said to have caused significant (like US$500,000) amounts of damage. It's just not worth the time and resources

Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread Gregory A. Gilliss
IANAL and I only can reference law in the USA. YMMV. Once upon a time, hackers were people who wanted to understand how things worked. They were not criminals. The reason that they were not criminals was that there were no laws passed that said that what they were doing was against the law :) A

Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread Stormwalker
IANAL, but I know that the legal system is divided into a criminal piece and a civil piece. Criminals are those who break criminal law. Civil proceedings tend to be about business disputes, lawsuits, divorces, etc, where the court acts like a third party mediator. cheers,

Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread Joel R. Helgeson
: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT > This user Bullmur should be carefull with the word "criminal". > > Question to the lawyers on the list: > It is my understanding that "criminal" is someone who breaks

RE: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread Brent Colflesh
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Georgi Guninski Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT This user Bullmur should be carefull with the word "criminal". Question to the lawyers on the

Re: [Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread Georgi Guninski
This user Bullmur should be carefull with the word "criminal". Question to the lawyers on the list: It is my understanding that "criminal" is someone who breaks the law. microsoft seem to have been found guilty by a court in the antitrust trial, so they seem to have broken the law. Are microsoft

[Full-Disclosure] NINCOMPOOPERY OF MICROSOFT

2003-10-01 Thread dhtml
"Hackers are criminals" Most, he notes, release their malicious code after patches for Microsoft software have been released, meaning that they are simply reverse engineering to exploit security weaknesses or holes in software. - Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer 'ninkum`poop [n] a stupid foolish pers