DanB UK wrote:
Hi,
NO-ONE outside AMERICA gives a bloody SHIT about the American election
crap! Keep it OFF LIST!
FUCK THE HELL OFF!
[snip]>
But on the most I concur, this list is NOT about the American
election. I'm sure there are lists elsewhere for that.
Actually, I use thunderbird and have a
Hi,
> NO-ONE outside AMERICA gives a bloody SHIT about the American election
> crap! Keep it OFF LIST!
>
> FUCK THE HELL OFF!
I don't think it's as simple as that. Yes the list should be for
security related topics. And it has been boring me shit less the last
few days/weeks. But the technology o
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At least some of the machines used had active wireless on them
Do you know this for a fact? Can you identify the states/locations where
this was implemented?
And how, pray tell, do you get "paranoid enough to watch acces
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:53:59 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
> --On Thursday, November 11, 2004 02:22:18 PM -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > At least some of the machines used had active wireless on them
>
> Do you know this for a fact? Can you identify the states/locations where
> this was imp
Look at the difference between exit polling and actual results.
The election results and exit polls differ, therefore you assume the
election results are wrong? This is really dumb. There are endless
reasons to believe that exit polls are inaccurate. For one thing,
they're self-sampling: they ask
we are not allowed to see log files, packet captures and pinpointing
exactly who the conspirators are would be tenable at best. The fact is,
the election was hacked. Look at the difference between exit polling
and actual results. Discrepancies of only a few points exist in
counties that use pap
The counting systems mentioned in the article (where the votes from
different counties are tabulated) have nothing to do with
direct-user-contact.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/11/2004 02:22:18 PM:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:37:28 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
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> > todays hacker community. But th
>>Look at the difference between exit polling and actual results.
The election results and exit polls differ, therefore you assume the
election results are wrong? This is really dumb. There are endless
reasons to believe that exit polls are inaccurate. For one thing,
they're self-sampling: they a
we are not allowed to see log files, packet captures and pinpointing
exactly who the conspirators are would be tenable at best. The fact is,
the election was hacked. Look at the difference between exit polling
and actual results. Discrepancies of only a few points exist in
counties that use pap
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:37:28 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> todays hacker community. But the realities are that we are paranoid enough
> to watch access to said systems to avoid at least 99% of local hacking,
> eliminating that from feasibility.
We are?
At least some of the machines used had ac
Jei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/10/2004 01:40:45 AM:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jay D. Dyson wrote:
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> > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Atom 'Smasher' wrote:
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> >> Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
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> >Read the whole thing and didn
>>> "Jay D. Dyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/10/2004 4:33:44 PM >>>
> On this we are in total agreement. I would much prefer that we
>push Diebold out of the picture and put open source solutions in
play.
>And I'm certainly open to that possibility as it would afford
critical
>design review fro
I am positive the fraud has been going on for quite some time, likely all
along. As the amount of detailed data available in electronic format
increases so does the ability to quickly and easily analyze, allowing for
better cause to effect correlation. When elections are not close few take
th
esday, November 10, 2004 8:47 PM
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Tom Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> may have written:-
>In fact, Repubs leaked their exit poll numbers early for Florida and
>Ohio
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Jei wrote:
> It would be _major_ news, were it not America where it happened.
Bull. It's purely wishful thinking on the part of the Left that
they were somehow "robbed" in this Bush mandate. It ain't anyone's fault
but
Tom Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> may have written:-
In fact, Repubs leaked their exit poll numbers
early for Florida and Ohio before the counts had come in and they were
extremely accurate.
It seems to me that whats being postulated is that somehow the
Republicans rigged the result in Florida and that th
Jei writes:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jay D. Dyson wrote:
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> > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Atom 'Smasher' wrote:
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> >> Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
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> > Read the whole thing and didn't see any evidence. Just wild
> > speculatio
> It would be _major_ news, were it not America where it happened.
> Even India managed to hold a secure digital election recently,
> without any such major exit poll or other discrepancies happening.
The exit poll discrepancies had nothing to do with the voting process
whatsoever. The exit poll
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Keith Oxenrider wrote:
> No one in the security biz would accept the use of a closed-source
> cryptography system, why the heck are we using a closed source election
> system?
On this we are in total agreement. I would m
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Jei wrote:
Arguing that vote discrepancies don't really matter, is like a system admin
arguing that system binary checksum discrepancies do not matter.
But binary checksums don't have electoral colleges... so discrepancies DO
matter.. unlike the votes we little taxpayers get
I would like to suggest that the core problem with elections in the US
(electronic, opscan, hanging chad, etc.) is that the system is NOT in the
hands of the electorate, rather in the hands of partisan political
appointees who have no interest in any system designed in an open,
verifiable way.
Political commentary by a left-leaning talk show host is not worthy of
posting to this list.
It's unfortunate the moderator allowed the posting at all. This article
contained only opinions regarding the discrepancies between the exit polls
and final election results.
I'm not interested in enter
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jay D. Dyson wrote:
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Atom 'Smasher' wrote:
Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
Read the whole thing and didn't see any evidence. Just wild
speculation and baseless conjecture. Hell, there were countless
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